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GATOR · #1 01-15-04, 04:16 PM

Now this might be a stupid question but, i hear everyone talking about making gear by getting raw steroid powders. How do they chemically make the powders? What do you need to do this?

spidey · #2 01-15-04, 04:19 PM

I think most people buy the powders. Making them requires more sophisticated chemistry knowledge than most possess.

LORDBLiTZ · #3 01-15-04, 05:05 PM

You couldn't buy the chems to make the raw.

Growing Doc. · #4 01-15-04, 07:42 PM

LORDBLiTZ you can mke those chems... especialy the organic ones. Let's not forget everything can be made from stone CaCO3

If one wants nothing can stop him... 8)

WarmRushes · #5 01-16-04, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by LORDBLiTZ
You couldn't buy the chems to make the raw.

Sorry, but yes you can.

WarmRushes

LORDBLiTZ · #6 01-16-04, 09:09 PM

Ok, gimme a list of chems to make raw test E.

LORDBLiTZ · #7 01-17-04, 02:30 AM

WarmRushes · #8 01-17-04, 06:16 AM

Got a license? With thesome well know Chem suppliers? No?

Got all you lab euipment to manufacture your AAS? No?

Have a degree on the Masters or Phd level? No?

Well, without those your out of luck.

IT IS NOT A EASY SYNTH FOR NEWBEES.

WarmRushes

Big Tex · #9 01-17-04, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by WarmRushes
Got a license? With thesome well know Chem suppliers? No?

Got all you lab euipment to manufacture your AAS? No?

Have a degree on the Masters or Phd level? No?

Well, without those your out of luck.

IT IS NOT A EASY SYNTH FOR NEWBEES.

WarmRushes

I have to answere no to all your answere. I have been making my own now for 2 years when the powder first came out and still do it. But I have no Phd or masters or anything like that just a desire to learn and have fun while Im doing it. All the knowledge is out there as well as all the supplies you need to manufacture if you look in the right places. I use plenty of BA,BB with all my conversions with sterile USP grade oil and then I pre filter the oil and then final filter with a .22 um filter. I filter all the oil into a sterile vial that I sterilize myself. I wash all the vials with 99% Isopropyl Alcohol so far I or anyone can pick up these supplies at one site. I then bake the vials at 300 degrees for 30 minutes to evapoate all the alcohol and kill any bacteria left in the vials. All my injectables have a min of 3% BA in them to kill of any other bacteria left in them. So far today me nor anybody else has ever had a bad thing to say about my oils I make and the pain is almost not there. I know for a fact that no vet, injectable will get close to my injectables for sterility,dose and quality. BUT I have no license or Phd. Just a desire is all.

spidey · #10 01-17-04, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Big Tex
I have to answere no to all your answere. I have been making my own now for 2 years when the powder first came out and still do it. But I have no Phd or masters or anything like that just a desire to learn and have fun while Im doing it. All the knowledge is out there as well as all the supplies you need to manufacture if you look in the right places. I use plenty of BA,BB with all my conversions with sterile USP grade oil and then I pre filter the oil and then final filter with a .22 um filter. I filter all the oil into a sterile vial that I sterilize myself. I wash all the vials with 99% Isopropyl Alcohol so far I or anyone can pick up these supplies at one site. I then bake the vials at 300 degrees for 30 minutes to evapoate all the alcohol and kill any bacteria left in the vials. All my injectables have a min of 3% BA in them to kill of any other bacteria left in them. So far today me nor anybody else has ever had a bad thing to say about my oils I make and the pain is almost not there. I know for a fact that no vet, injectable will get close to my injectables for sterility,dose and quality. BUT I have no license or Phd. Just a desire is all.

I think Warmrushes was talking about actually synthesizing the raw powders themselves from legal non-scheduled materials; not just converting them to injectables once you have them.

LORDBLiTZ · #11 01-17-04, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WarmRushes
Got a license? With thesome well know Chem suppliers? No?

Got all you lab euipment to manufacture your AAS? No?

Have a degree on the Masters or Phd level? No?

Well, without those your out of luck.

IT IS NOT A EASY SYNTH FOR NEWBEES.

WarmRushes

Did you even read my first post? No shit you need a license! No shit you need lab equipment! Did you think i was taking about buying these chems OTC? I know you can make all this shit if you have all the equipment to do so. So since you know it all, why don't you post a list of what chems it would take to make test E, and how to put them all together.

Big Tex · #12 01-17-04, 05:11 PM

Gentelmen we are having a discussion of opinions here. No need to start having tempers flare up. I meant nothing rude by my post just the way I speak, upfront and foward. As I am sure warmrushes did not mean anything wrong with his post.

LORDBLiTZ · #13 01-17-04, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Big Tex
Gentelmen we are having a discussion of opinions here. No need to start having tempers flare up. I meant nothing rude by my post just the way I speak, upfront and foward. As I am sure warmrushes did not mean anything wrong with his post.

First of all, Growing Doc and WarmRushes Can't read. I never said you couldn't make. I said you couldn't buy it. Meaning without having a source. Finding a raw source is hard enough, let alone a source for chems to make raw to start with. WarmRushes has 3 posts, and to assume that the people here are newbies is not a good way to make friends.

So if warmrushes cares to back his shit up, i'd like to see a list and instructions for making raw test.

LORDBLiTZ · #14 01-19-04, 04:02 PM

That's just what i thought. If you can't back your shit, BOW THA FACE.

OWNED

2FNRIpped · #15 01-19-04, 05:38 PM

I see your raw powders are the real deal.. i can tell by the roid rages going on in here

Growing Doc. · #16 01-20-04, 08:16 AM

LORDBLiTZ You said :

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You couldn't buy the chems to make the raw.

and i responded you can make any organic compound just from stone... you didn't say you can't make them. i just commented.

What makes me not able to read???? The fact i reminded a thing most probably ignote to the vast majority?

spidey · #17 01-20-04, 09:37 AM

LOL, if you can make the organic chemicals from stone, you are a better chemist than I am. In fact, you are better than anyone else in the world.

skysurfr · #18 02-01-04, 01:42 PM

ANYWAY.........................

skysurfr · #19 02-01-04, 01:49 PM

I made a cheerleader with beer!

Growing Doc. · #20 02-02-04, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by spidey
LOL, if you can make the organic chemicals from stone, you are a better chemist than I am. In fact, you are better than anyone else in the world.

You can get acetylene from CaCO3 if i remember well. Treat some stones, get the gas and start building your organic molecules piece by piece. I know it is a pain to do 25 reactions to arrive to test. but as i said before it was just a comment.
Academicaly speaking...

candle25 · #21 02-02-04, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by skysurfr
I made a cheerleader with beer!

Lol. Nice work bro.

Synthisizing test is a pain in the a$$. You can start with cholesterol, or a PH of your choice in theory. I have yet to get it to actually work. I have pretty decent chem skills but am by no means as knowledgable as Spidey. If he says something is difficult, that means it's impossible for the rest of us.

spidey · #22 02-02-04, 01:31 PM

Anyone can do the MnO2 oxidations. They are pretty much impossible to screw up, LOL.

Just mix the diol prohormone of your choice (must have either a 1,2 or a 4,5 double bond or both) with 5x by weight of MnO2 in dichloromethane and stirr for 24 hours. Filter off the MnO2; evaporate the dichloromethane and presto, you have it.

candle25 · #23 02-02-04, 02:52 PM

I'll try that soon. I have about 50g MnO2 now. Just have to find a way to get the dimethylchloride. I gotta slow down on ordering at work.

Sigmund Roid · #24 02-03-04, 01:17 AM

other solvents will work as well that are available for the public, like acetone, ethanol (I think dry), MEK (methyl ethyl ketone, or 2 butanone), benzene (but you don't wanna use that), toluene etc.

Put your mixture inside a heavy walled flask or bottle with a screw cap, and heat it up in a pan with water and a thermometer just above the boiling point of your solvent (say 2 deg). This will cause some pressure, but your bottle is strong, so it can resist. You can poor some veggie oil on the water in the pan to minimise vaporising. This is a setup for the ones without a reflux condensor. Boil for at least 4 hours, depending on the boiling point of your solvent, the higher the BP the shorter the reaction takes. Filter with some good filtration paper (not a coffee filter). The MnO2 particles are really small. After filtration, rinse the MnO2 with the same solvent type you used and filter again to get the last residues of test.

Candle25, you mean dichloromethane? This has a very low BP (37 C), you are better off with acetone or ethanol.

candle25 · #25 02-03-04, 06:08 AM

Woops. Yeah I meant dichloromethane. I have a great reflux set up, but no sand bath. I suppose I could put sand in a deep pan and heat it on the oven with the round flask nested in it....damn. I just realized that my sink isn't set up to run the cool water through the reflux tube. I guess I need to buy some more supplies. I've really slacked off with my synthisis experiments lately. I honestly have no need of doing it, I just do it for fun. I'll play around some more soon.