Proviron Or Arimidex With A Test Only Cycle- Which Is Better???

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, In YOUR own personal experiences, which is better to control estrogen related water retention and other sides during a Test cycle?? Proviron? Or Arimidex? I'll be using a combo of Test Enanthate/Cypionate@600mg/wk.

[buyb12]

letrozole is best and it'a just a click away in cinnamon , peppermint and fruitpunch.. ....at www.lionnutrition.com



Letrozol is femera, which is an anti-estrogen.

Femara is 10-30x more effective than Arimidex in it's ability to pass thru the cell membrane of lipid (fat) cells and inhibit the activity of aromatase -- in other words, Femara is far superior in lowering estrogen levels in fat cells. This has two benefits for BBs; (1) Estrogen 'attracts' water, so less water retention (2) an average male BB is around 10%BF, that's a lot of lipid cells with aromatase inside them, so a substantial percentage of aromatase is left untouched by Arimidex due to it's poor ability to enter lipid cellsArimidex is approximately 80% effective at inhibiting aromatase, Femara is around 95-97%
notes:
1. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000 Jul;85(7):2370-7
2. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 1997 Nov-Dec;63(4-6):261-7

IT has been shown to increase IGF levels too.......

[lxorl]

proviron is not as good of an anti E.... liquadex, arimidex, nolva are all good choices

[LARGELI]

Originally posted by Texas Ranger
Guys, In YOUR own personal experiences, which is better to control estrogen related water retention and other sides during a Test cycle?? Proviron? Or Arimidex? I'll be using a combo of Test Enanthate/Cypionate@600mg/wk.

are you prone to h2o retention? or is this just a pecaution? i would do the 600mg/week and see how your body reacts fiirst.

[Texas Ranger]

It's mainly a precaution. I've seen several friends that used the "wait and see" approach and they all have Gyno(mild to moderate). I want to keep a hard, lean appearance. I'm not scared of a little water, though.

[ranger131]

I would take the Femara and Proviron. Proviron is a great drug it will just complement the femara and increase your hardness and vascularity.

[Texas Ranger]

ALOT of guys complained that Femara did to good of a job with the estrogen suppression. They had NO sex drive despite being on 750-1000mgs of Test. No thanks!!

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by Texas Ranger
It's mainly a precaution. I've seen several friends that used the "wait and see" approach and they all have Gyno(mild to moderate). I want to keep a hard, lean appearance. I'm not scared of a little water, though.

They may have fat nipples, but do you really know "several guys" that actually have gyno? It is so rare. If yo uget it from using test at 600 mgs a week, you are going to end up getting it pretty much no matter what you do. You shouldn't need any anit-e at 600 mgs.

[Texas Ranger]

Mcbvr6, yeah I know 3 guys that have gyno. 2 of them I grew up with and they used 500-750mgs of Test as a base along with other stuff(Dbol, Winny, EQ, etc...). I'm not too concerned about Gyno. It's the excessive water retention.

[6p6]

go with letro but there is nothing wrong with using proviron with your cycle....I love the affects it has!!!!

[buyb12]

the guy that complained about the letro was using too much. it's strong stuff and it doses the best job .....hands down but letro with proviron is a sick combo talk about hard and horny ......My girl knows a thing or 2 about it.

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by Texas Ranger
Mcbvr6, yeah I know 3 guys that have gyno. 2 of them I grew up with and they used 500-750mgs of Test as a base along with other stuff(Dbol, Winny, EQ, etc...). I'm not too concerned about Gyno. It's the excessive water retention.

Fair enough. I just get used to guys on the boards thinking they have gyno because their nipples are a little puffy and they forget that they are at about 20% bf.

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by Texas Ranger
ALOT of guys complained that Femara did to good of a job with the estrogen suppression. They had NO sex drive despite being on 750-1000mgs of Test. No thanks!!

Well, if they were dosing it too high, it has that effect.. If they used femara at 2.5mg or even 1.25mg EOD, they wouldn't have a problem..

[Doom]

Originally posted by ranger131
I would take the Femara and Proviron. Proviron is a great drug it will just complement the femara and increase your hardness and vascularity.

I concur