6 wk cycle - tren....what about PCT - SuperiorMuscle.com

flashpoint · #1 03-16-04, 04:51 PM

I'm doing a 6 week, EOD Tren cycle... 75ml/cc

What should I do for PCT?

Clomid and Novladex?

Thanks in advance.

Stonecold54 · #2 03-16-04, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by flashpoint
I'm doing a 6 week, EOD Tren cycle... 75ml/cc

What should I do for PCT?

Clomid and Novladex?

Thanks in advance.

I would throw some HCG in there with trens ability to shut you down hard. and yes use some novaldex or clomid.

flashpoint · #3 03-17-04, 11:03 AM

What about recommended dosages?

LARGELI · #4 03-17-04, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by flashpoint
What about recommended dosages?

for a first ime with tren 75mg eod will be fine.

trens a good drug, but the sides are not pleasant, i would get some accutane for the acne. and throw in some test even as little as 250mg/week so that your not affected as bad when your big guys become little guys

flashpoint · #5 03-17-04, 06:34 PM

I have Adoxa for acne already, as well as Retinea and another Topical cream...I didn't have acne, but I had mild breakouts...so I was prescribed those. I also have a few other types of medicines my friends gave me a long time ago. So I need to order some test as well...clomid and novladex for PCT. What are the dosages of the two? Clomid is to help the natural testerone start back up, and Novladex is for gyno, or to help prevent gyno?

mcbvr6 · #6 03-17-04, 07:11 PM

A six week cycle of tren is not going to shut you down that hard. I usually run 6 week prop/tren cycles and can fully recover in 4-5 weeks. You can bounce back fast with just clomid. Take 300mgs 3 days after last shot then 2 weeks at 100mgs and 1 week at 50mgs. By the end of your clomid you should be nearly back.

6p6 · #7 03-18-04, 12:04 AM

same pct bro as any cycle

flashpoint · #8 03-18-04, 12:38 AM

Are you meaning, take 300mgs for 3 days then for 2 weeks take 100mgs and the 3rd week at 50mgs?

Doom · #9 03-18-04, 01:40 AM

Tren is 3x more androgenic than any testosterone, you will be fully shut down within a matter of days. While HCG isnt necessary here, PCT is regardless of length or dosage

Clomid, basic dosing is as follows
Day 1 - 300mgs
Day 2-13- 100 mgs
Day 14-21 - 50mgs

flashpoint · #10 03-19-04, 03:02 PM

Thanks guys, I appreciate the information.

mcbvr6 · #11 03-19-04, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Doom
Tren is 3x more androgenic than any testosterone, you will be fully shut down within a matter of days. While HCG isnt necessary here, PCT is regardless of length or dosage

Doom - I agree with what you say above. However, I think the confusion lies in the use of the phrase "shut down". Natural test production will be turned off pretty much as soon as the tren, test, or just about anything else, enters your blood stream.

"Shut down" as I intended to use the term would be more accurately described as testicular atrophy. When people say "deca shuts you down hard" or "long cycles will shut you down hard", they are talking about testicular atrophy. That is why it takes so long to recover, because their balls are in no condition to begin producing natural test yet.

When I say a 6 week cycle won't shut you down that hard, I mean you should not experience any significant testicular atrophy (my understanding is that it does not begin to ocurr until 6-8 weeks of nonuse (nonuse of the testicles that is)). Without testicular atrophy a person should recover rather quickly. HCG is only used (for our purposes) to reverse the atrophy and get them ready to start working again as soon as the excess test clears your system. That is why a six week cycle - of anything - does not require HCG, in my opinion.

flashpoint · #12 03-21-04, 03:50 AM

mcbvr6 ,

So what do you recommend then for PCT? I'm hearing mixed opinions.

mcbvr6 · #13 03-21-04, 03:20 PM

Six weeks of tren and all you will need is Clomid. Take 300 mgs on the third day after you last injection (i.e. last injection on a Saturday - start Clomid therapy on Tuesday). Then take 100 mgs per day for the next 13 days and then take 50 mgs per day for the next 7 days. That give you a total of three weeks on Clomid. You can go an extra week at 50 mgs but you probably won't need it. I also strongly recommend Clomid over Nolvadex - but I know other people say the opposite.

I choose Clomid because it is actually prescribed by doctors to men with temporary testosterone production problems to get them producing again. It is not just a matter of blocking estrogen - which Nolvadex is stronger and better at. It is the effect on the hpta that we are after and I have concluded through research (and personal experience) that recovery is quicker with Clomid than Nolvadex.