baywatch cycle:)

[mayday9]

Hello,

This is my first post, even though I've been lurking around for a while.

Currently I'm doing this 3 month cycle I composed myself (by that I mean I haven't seen it before). As I'm not a steroid veteran your suggestions are much appreciated. I'm 24 years old, 175cm, 80kg, been training heavily for the past 5 years (with an ocasional month off). Eating is my weakness as I tend to get lazy and skip meals. I'm going for the baywatch type phisique. At the moment I'm pretty sattisfied, except I need to work on my chest (mass + shape), legs (mass, especially Calves) + burn fat off stomach (I have just enough for abs not to be visible right)

Anyway, here is my cycle:

1st month:
- jintropin 4UI/day, every day
- testosterone propionate, every other day
- plenty of carbs and proteins
- ocasional pill of clomid here and there

2nd month:
- jintropin 4UI/day, every day
- testosterone propionate, 50mg every other day
- T4 - Eutirox 50mg, every day (I have to do some research to determine the right amount), first two weeks of 2nd month then pause
- winstrol depot, 1 vial every other day
- ocasional clomid

3rd month:
- jintropin 4UI/day, every day
- testosterone propionate, 50mg every other day
- winstrol depot, 1 vial every other day
- ocasional clomid
- T4 Eutirox 50mg, every day for the last 2 weeks

- then I need to come up with a proper way to get my natural testosterone back, etc..

What do you guys think? What would you change and why? I prefer the safer roids with minumum side effects and am not in a hurry to grow. Also what about the liver, should I take something for it?

Regards,
Darko

safer??? so u choose growth hormones, wow im so confused...

read more maybe GH is a last resort esp if ure only 170 lbs

K

[GearTripper]

the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

[pudgy]

am not in a hurry to grow (then do not jucie and get your diet in check)

you have to eat to grow period.
your cycle is a mess post some dosages.

as for post cycle therapy,aromasin, nolvadex, liquidex, clomid are all keywords

[GearTripper]

ya know the more i think about it... if you just want that "lean baywatch" look... forget everything you're "trying" to do with all that stuff and stick to a straight Test-only cycle wtih maybe - maybe a little Winny thrown in near the end for 6 weeks... same results, lot less money, safer for a newbie, better idea all the way around - IMO.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by GearTripper
the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

what he said.

[decadan]

Originally posted by GearTripper
the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

Ditto!

[psyko1]

Originally posted by GearTripper
the "occasional clomid" is pointless IMO. i hope your Winstrol viles aren't 10ml or anything (just kidding - maybe?) also, you left out plenty of carbs and proten on the second two phases, but i'm assuming you'll continue to eat? ahh, GH for less sides? you're trying too hard to do something a more difficult way. you could actually get just as good results spending a lot less money and using only a few basic compounds like test/EQ/anavar. re-think and read up some more is what i would suggest.

monkey see monkey do

[mayday9]

Thanks for all your replies. The reason I chose GH/test propionat/winny is quallity. I like the idea of growing new muscle cells and I like most GH side effects (revitalizing the body etc).

I've had excelent experience with winny/propionate combo before. Little water retention, firm muscles, more energy, endurance, strenght, etc.. even improved libido is a good side effect. I kept most of my winny/propionat gains from before.

Now I'm trying to mix the three elements together and adding whatever needs to be added to optimize the cycle (providing that the stuff isn't "dangerous"). Like for example insulin would be good to add, but I don't want to. Was trying to get Glucophage instead, but couldn't. So I'm stuck with eating a lot of carbs (cakes, sweets, maltodextrine, whatever)

The reason I added T4 (which should be safer/better than T3) is because GH supposedly exhausts body's natural thyroid hormone after a while.


Bottom line is I would like to work with those three main compounds. Dosing/distributing and supporting stuff is up for modification

[mayday9]

About the ocasional clomid.. last time I went off test propionat/winny cycle I didn't close it right (as I said I'm not a veteran). That left me with a low libido. I could get it up, no problem but I didn't feel like having sex at all for 2 months.. Now I'm back on external test. but my natural test. is probably still not working right. So I did the Clomid treatment now (1st day 6 tabs, then 2 tabs for 3 days, then 1 tab per day) and figured it might be ok to keep taking an ocasional clomid..

[mayday9]

Originally posted by pudgy
am not in a hurry to grow (then do not jucie and get your diet in check)

you have to eat to grow period.
your cycle is a mess post some dosages.

as for post cycle therapy,aromasin, nolvadex, liquidex, clomid are all keywords

I'm in my 3rd week now and lately I've been hungry like crazy, eating full blown meals about every 2 hours. It's like all of a sudden I get the feeling I'm starving while few minutes ago I was fine. Then when I get the food I'm almost shaking and eating it like an animal It's GH's fault, right? I sleep more than before, with almost regular afternoon naps. Pumps are amazing, painful in the end. Went up 5kg in body weight (in 17 days)

I've made a mistake in dosages above, so here are the right amounts:
- jintropin: 4UI every day
- Testosterone propionat: 100mg (1 ml) every other day
- Winstrol depot 50mg (1 ml vial? standard from zambon) every other day

OK so first let me get this right... ure bout 170-180 lbs and u've done a few cycles and ure goal is that baywatch pretty boy look...

if this is right stick to this, prop and tren and mass amts of proteing 500wk/75mg ed/ and a ton of protein... little water retention and fast acting so ure post cycle therapy can start right away...

I dont mean to flame but being 170lbs and have done a few cycles where ure abs arent showing fully kinda tells me that ure prob around 12ish % bf so ure lean mass is around 153 or so... if this is the case ure best cycle is this---week 1-12 mass amounts of food

K

[mayday9]

Originally posted by num1son
OK so first let me get this right... ure bout 170-180 lbs and u've done a few cycles and ure goal is that baywatch pretty boy look...

if this is right stick to this, prop and tren and mass amts of proteing 500wk/75mg ed/ and a ton of protein... little water retention and fast acting so ure post cycle therapy can start right away...

I dont mean to flame but being 170lbs and have done a few cycles where ure abs arent showing fully kinda tells me that ure prob around 12ish % bf so ure lean mass is around 153 or so... if this is the case ure best cycle is this---week 1-12 mass amounts of food

K

I'm pretty lean everywhere except on the stomach. My bf % should be less than 9 but I'm not sure (used to be 6 three years ago). Never done ECA, clen, or anything for cutting.

I've been "building mass" with proteins + food + hard workouts for 3 years, then did some dianabol tabs and within the past year I've done propionat alone for 40 days, then 2 months off, then propionat (40 days) eod + winstrol (added it in last few days of propionat) then did it solo eod for 2 months

[mayday9]

me

[hitmansb]

Sorry, I couldn't resist. You want to be built like these guys?

by the sounds of it, I think he's european, Ive spent the last 2 yrs in luxembourg and know that out there baywatch is god, its kinda like u guys saying u wanna look like the guys on the NFL or something like that, its just their in thing, the chicks over there still dig hasslehoff? wtf I say

K

[mayday9]

Using the word "baywatch" was a way to describe the phisique. In majority cases that's the only "bodybuilding" phisique chicks really dig. It's kind of the pefect healthy male body (ofcouse that's a matter of debate).

Hitmansb,

You gave a bad (mocking) example, but yes I like the type of phisique on the guy attached to this post. I should have said "Mr. Fitness" phisique to avoid your kind of replies. I'm not far from it anyway.

Regards,
Darko

[hitmansb]

You can definately get that build without using heavy-duty stuff like GH. Like GearTripper said, stick to things like EQ, Var, Prop, and Winny (winny only if you're not prone to MPB) Use T3 rather than T4, as T4 isn't nearly as potent for boosting metabolism. Add in some cardio and you'll be set.

[mayday9]

Originally posted by hitmansb
You can definately get that build without using heavy-duty stuff like GH. Like GearTripper said, stick to things like EQ, Var, Prop, and Winny (winny only if you're not prone to MPB) Use T3 rather than T4, as T4 isn't nearly as potent for boosting metabolism. Add in some cardio and you'll be set.

Fair enough. I still want to use HGH as I've red only good things about it. For example, I'm hoping to avoid having to use clen or ECA and instead do GH + intensive cardio. Also with GH I can hopefully eat enough and not get fat bloated.

I've searched the board for "MPB" but couldn't really find an explanation on what it was. Could somebody tell me please?

T4 isn't as potent as T3, but it's supposed to be safer? (I'm not in a hurry). I hear T3 can take some muscle off (if you're not on test)

[hitmansb]

MPB=Male Pattern Baldness. If you're prone to it (look at dad, and your grandfathers for clues), you'll want to stay the hell away from Winny. If you aren't, it's a great drug for adding a little quality mass while cutting up.

[mayday9]

dad's and grandpa's head looks like a bush so I'm safe there


Is being on propionate for 3 months straight ok or should I make a pause somewhere in between?

if ure on that long look at doing some hcg along the way I like the 500IU every sat/sun routine, it makes getting the boys down there come back quicker

K

[THE BOUNCER]

you dont really need to train much to be built like that. lol. just train and diet. why anyone would want to be built like a guy that weighs 150lbs is beyond me..

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
you dont really need to train much to be built like that. lol. just train and diet. why anyone would want to be built like a guy that weighs 150lbs is beyond me..

Bump! Besides, I compete at 170 and look bigger..

[Crazy Gains]

I want to use oxandrolone in the next year pursuing that baywatch body style. Test and related stuff (that aromatise) is not good for me, cause it causes me depression... So wha do you think guys could i hope for a lite fitness shape next year with var?

[JuicedBeachBum]

Instead of running GH for only 3 months I think you should try IGF1. I haven't run GH, but i've heard it takes a while to kick in - like more than 3 months to start noticing it