FIRST CYCLE HELP - SuperiorMuscle.com

pointman · #1 05-30-04, 08:00 AM

I'm 42 years old I've been lifting religiously since I was 15. I have tried ever supplement out there to include Cybergenics, for those who can remember. I know now if I'm to achieve my goals gear is the answer.

Currently I'm 5'6" 175 lbs with 14% body fat. My first cycle I would like to get to 195-198 lbs (DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD GET TO MY ULTIMATE GOAL FIRST TIME). My ultimate goal goal is to maintain a weight 205-210 lbs, I think that would be realistic considering my height.

I want to do a 12 week cycle for the summer this is what I have in my arsenal.

Testosterone Cypionate- (2) 10 cc vials-200 mg/cc American
Dbol- (100) 5 mg tablets Thia
Nolvadex- (120) 20 mg tablets
Clomid- (120) 20 mg tablets
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin- (2) vials 20,000 units USP

The following is the cycle I would like to run. I'm not sure what I should run for post cycle and how long past the last inject? And should I even use the HCG? Because of my age I worry about kidney and abdominal fat. Should I use the clomid or nolvadex EOD for gyno prevent and then whitch one should i use for post cycle?
.Here this is easier to read, I hope you don't mind me changing it but in the current format it looked confusing-Stonecold54
Weeks 1-12 Test 300mg/week
Weeks 4-8 10mg/day Mon-Fri
Eod 10mg of Novladex

Week 13-00 NOT SURE WHAT TO USE POST CLCLE WHEN AND HOW LONG.

My diet will be 3500-4000 cals a day. All protein low carbs in between meals I wiil Supplement with Muscle Milk and U-Turns.

Sorry for the long post, did not want to violate any of the rules

jipped genes · #2 05-30-04, 09:29 AM

first off bro you need more d-bol. its should be run ed at a mimimum of 25 mg ed30-40 is great. if thats all i had i would run 30 mg for the first 3 weeks but getting more and running 30 mg for 5 weeks would be best. use liquidex at .25 mg ed or nolva. 300 mg of test is fine for your first cycle its conservative but will work. 2 weeks after your last inject use the hcg at 500iu ed for 10-12 days use of clomid or nolva in pct should be in the faq or look up pct in the search function of the board

ROCKETW19 · #3 05-30-04, 01:09 PM

IMO i would run your test at 400mgs instead of 300mgs. probably save d-bol for next but if you must 30mgs ed from day 1 till gone. you shouldnt need nolva during your cycle but after. i was recomended to use hcg 500ius 2 times a week every week im doing now so i cant say how it works but at 400mgs you probably wont need either.

Stonecold54 · #4 05-30-04, 04:37 PM

I think that 300mg of test is fine for a first cycle especially given your age. You don't need as much to see a difference as you get older because you are naturally producing less. I know I go against the "grain" with this but I also believe 10mg of dbol per day (dont' skip the weekends) will be enough. I have used up to 50mg per day and I have went back down to 15 mg a day and have noticed pretty much the same results. So I would run

Test 300mg per week
10mg dbol/day for weeks 1-4
Novaldex ONLY IF YOU NEED IT, start at 40mg the first day of symptoms and then run 10mg EOD from that point on in the cycle.

PCT should start about 3 weeks after last shot. Run novaldex at around 40-60 mg the first few days and then 20-30 per day for about 2-3 weeks after that.

I am not sure if you will need the HCG with such a small cycle. Since you are older I would lean towards saying yes because you can stave off any testicular shrinkage which will help you recover after coming off.

pointman · #5 05-30-04, 09:07 PM

Thanks, that cleared things up. Sorry for the confusing post.

GearTripper · #6 05-30-04, 10:35 PM

01-02 = TEST 400mg/wk
03-12 = TEST 300mg/wk

Note: on your last week of test, you should have about a half a CC extra, so go ahead and throw it in with your last shot... if i added right.

PCT = Clomid 300mgx1day, 100mgx10day, 50mgx10day
PCT = Begins after three weeks of your last shot.

save everything else for your next cycle... you won't need any of it this time around IMO. for your next time around get enough dbol so you can do around 30mg/day for at least 4 weeks. enough test for another 10-12 weeks. keep your nolva on-hand and only use it IF gyno symptoms appear. otherwise, don't waste it.