Is EQ Overrated? Yes? Or No?

[Millineum Man]

To the guys that have used EQ. Did it give you the results that are normallly advertised such as insane vascularity, killer pumps & veiny appearance? If so, how much did you use per week and how long??

[bbb27]

i was disappointed with it. i got alot more strength with deca. i think most people will tell you that the vascularity will depend mostly on your diet.

[lestatgear]

I ran it at 400 mg/week for 12 weeks and definitely noticed improvement in hardness and vascularity, but I definitely wouldn't call it insane. I may have been a little light on the dose. I know a lot of guys run it at 600/mg a week or so. Pumps were not that great for me compared to other compounds.

[hitmansb]

Vascularity isn't going to happen unless your lean....obviously. Personally, I run EQ as the base for pretty much every cycle...I like that it doesn't cause bloat, and there are no progesterone issues. I get good gains...not as much weight and strenght as with Deca...but that goes back to the water issues. Lean gains are the same when you stack up EQ against Deca, then eliminate the water IMO.

[Skyefire]

well but the pumps are overrated, and having ran both I can say it is noware near as strong as Deca is but if defentaly increase vascularity and does increase hunger. What lot of people fail to realize is that EQ is a weak steriod. 400mg a week should be considered the bear min for running. I think that if people would run a higher dose for longer (takes at least 6 weeks to kick in really) that they would not be disapointed. But that is just my 2 cents. Next summer I am probably going to run an eq based cycle and it will be for 6 months

[DOUBLE J]

I have been very unimpressed with EQ. I have ran it for 1000mgs for 16wks without great results. (this dose is after about 3 runs with it)

I am one who just dont respond to it. Deca is a lot stronger in my mind but then you have more sides also.

[beefcake]

I believe the man to ask on this is stonecold. I think he does like 1000mg a week of eq since june. From what i've heard he's happy with the results. Guess we'll have to wait for him to respond.

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by DOUBLE J
I have been very unimpressed with EQ. I have ran it for 1000mgs for 16wks without great results. (this dose is after about 3 runs with it)

I am one who just dont respond to it. Deca is a lot stronger in my mind but then you have more sides also.

I can easily beileve, I am kinda like that with test alone, I ether have to run almost a gram brefore I start seeing anything. however 75mg tren and 100 prop ed works great. I would love to know what make for the differnces in people in regarde to the gear.

[Stonecold54]

From my experience my HOMEBREW eq is good. I had to use way too much vet stuff to equal results from powder. so that said I love eq but will only use my own stuff.

[Jarconis]

1-test cyp > eq , sorry, but i speak the truth!

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by Jarconis
1-test cyp > eq , sorry, but i speak the truth!

YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deez Nuggets]

Ehh... i've ran it a few times....

As far as vascularity and hardness goes. I had MUCH MUCH better results running Anavar 30mg ED and 100mg prop EOD.

[Texas Ranger]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
Ehh... i've ran it a few times....

As far as vascularity and hardness goes. I had MUCH MUCH better results running Anavar 30mg ED and 100mg prop EOD.

Now, that combo sounds pretty good for what I'm looking for which is the same thing, strength, vascularity & hardness.

[murdyO]

I havent ran eq yet but soon. But I do know this. Getting pumped has nothing to do with stimulating growth. Go do about 4 sets of pushups and you are getting pumped. Go do a couple sets of deads balls to the wall and ya tell me which one is gonna make ya grow. just my opinion.




thanx

[CreepingDeath]

I think Eq is a little overrated......I get the same thing from deca but better so thats jsut my personal preferance

[majoradams]

You gotta remember everyone responds diff to every drug, you cant say 'Is Eq overated" that doesnt make sense, what works great for one might do little or nothing for another

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by Jarconis
1-test cyp > eq , sorry, but i speak the truth!

Maybe but 1-test sides < EQ sides, very much the truth hear

[jaypee]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath
I think Eq is a little overrated......I get the same thing from deca but better so thats jsut my personal preferance

Yeah, but there is no such thing as "EQ dick". I will never do deca again after my last cycle.

EQ works slower and you get to keep most of what you get. You have to do 400-600mg a week over 12+ weeks to see any results. 16 weeks is probably the best. I think this why some people don't like it.

[eaglewrestler27]

My main thing is that EQ increases RBC count and it strengthens connective tissue like tendons. Test weakens your tendons, so I use EQ to counter-act that.

[Deez Nuggets]

Originally posted by eaglewrestler27
My main thing is that EQ increases RBC count and it strengthens connective tissue like tendons. Test weakens your tendons, so I use EQ to counter-act that.

All steriods are derivitives(sp?) of testosterone.... no? I don't recall hearing compounds like sust, test - E, Test - Cyp, etc... weaken connective tissue though... could be wrong

I know winstrol weakens your tendons.

And speaking of increased RBC count, I ran EQ for 13 weeks about a year and 1/2 ago. I got blood work done about 6 months after I finished my cycle (was about to start another one) and my RBC count was still elevated. I tell my doctors everything, and he said it was probably because of the steroids. Whether or not he was being honest, is another question but I thought it was worth pointing out.

[jipped genes]

eq just makes me vascular i dont get much more out of it. also my stamina goes up but thats it

[Skyefire]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets
All steriods are derivitives(sp?) of testosterone.... no? I don't recall hearing compounds like sust, test - E, Test - Cyp, etc... weaken connective tissue though... could be wrong

I know winstrol weakens your tendons.

And speaking of increased RBC count, I ran EQ for 13 weeks about a year and 1/2 ago. I got blood work done about 6 months after I finished my cycle (was about to start another one) and my RBC count was still elevated. I tell my doctors everything, and he said it was probably because of the steroids. Whether or not he was being honest, is another question but I thought it was worth pointing out.

this was give to me by puddles:

originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com

While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle.

Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.

AnimalMass

[Racer814]

I run eq in conjunction with deca....along w/test this is one of my favorite stacks...and you dont get deca dick with this

[lxorl]

everyone has different experiences with it... but i like it... its mild with minimal sides.... no huge gains off it though, which is what I am looking for. Baby steps

[drgoodbody]

I like EQ - works slowly but with almost no side effects (at least for me). I have run it in 3-4 cycles, and the last one was at 600mg/week, it worked very smoothly along with a low dose of test, 250mg/week (later I added tren at 100mg EOD). I'm going to brew it myself next time and see how that compares to the vet/UG grade I've been using.

Vascularity = clean diet and low body fat for me to see anything,
pumps = better with more water retention for me (like if I carb load I hold more water then I get better pumps). Steroids alone don't seem to do this for me, although GH does seem to have an influence (again water retention I believe).

JMO,

DrG