A couple questions about my first cycle - SuperiorMuscle.com

strat_69 · #1 09-05-04, 07:59 PM

I'm pretty new to this stuff so I need a little help.

I weigh 175, and my bodyfat I dont know but it's not high, around 15% might be a conservative estimate. I have ok definition all around, visible abs etc.

I am about 5'11" and I've been lifting for about a year and a half.

The cycle I'm considering is pretty simple and I won't do it till this winter cause I play football in the fall, and then I can begin to lift again and fine tune my nutrition to make some gains. I also would like a little boost though. That's where the juice comes in.

I've got connections to pretty much everything I need, I can get test suspension and anadrol easiest. What is a good price on those and really most things i never hear of pricing really. I'm having a hard time finding anti estrogens and such though. I was thinking proviron while on and clomid or nolva post cycle but I don't know which one works best I still need to do some reading. I'm probably going to keep the dosage fairly conservative too...

I have a couple concerns though, one is if I can't find anything for post cycle therapy or anything, is there a way I can manipulate dosages and things to work with that, I mean the big guys didn't have anti estrogens in the old days and they did ok, but then I am guessing it's best to make damn sure I have them, I'm just curious.

Another is how do I know things are legitimate, should I just study as many pictures as I can first or are there some telltale signs to speak of?

Any suggestions are welcome

Thanks

DiamondCutCows · #2 09-05-04, 08:09 PM

I dont know man. 1.5 yrs lifting is too soon IMHO. Also Test susp and Drol is a pretty advanced users cycle.

If anything, low dose test for you man. Oh yeah College or High School football?

Skyefire · #3 09-05-04, 08:20 PM

first off are you over 21 years? I have to ask because 175 seams a little lite for collage ball

I deleted the rest of the post due to your age.

strat_69 · #4 09-05-04, 09:15 PM

Ok, to clear a couple things up first off, I play highschool football (center and special teams), and I'm 17. I'm looking to gain as much as possible and within reason. I don't want to add tons of chunk and water weight but a little is tolerable for the sake of muscle and strength, I'll be able to shed much of it anyway.

As far as pounds go, I'd like to hit 200 and be able to keep it, or just anything over that, as much as I can go. I will probably use my knowledge and experience from this cycle to do it again next winter also, same or different I dont' now, that's why I just say knowledge and experience.

I'm an ectomorph with a decent meso shading, but nonetheless I have a fast metabolism and can eat quite a bit without gaining much. I'm always working to eat enough. I usually do about 3500 calories a day give or take, although I'm considering bumping it up.

What are good ways to keep all or most of your gains after a cycle, Increase calories right after, or is there something else I should know. Also will they fade away over time if you don't do another cycle?

I have been reading that anadrol decreases your appetite so I may cut that out or do a low dose or something. As for the test, I may see if I can find some cyp or enth so I can cut my injections to once or twice a week, I have no experience with sticking myself with needles so that would be a load off.

I also hear deca doesn't aromatize much and that makes look good to me.

I have also heard proviron will enhance the effects of testosterone by making it possible to have more free testosterone in your system, what are somethings to know about that.

Some other things about me and my hormones.. I started puberty very young, like 5th grade I had zits and hair on my nuts, I have very oily skin, and take omoxocillin 100mg daily for that. I am also pretty hairy and have a deep voice. I've also got small nipples, so not much natural tendency for gyno it seems.

I will continue to research heavily, and with your help I think I can do some good things, keep the info coming.

majoradams · #5 09-05-04, 09:29 PM

DO NOT USE THESE DRUGS YOU ARE TOO YOUNG

Bro please take our advice,

JUICE · #6 09-05-04, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by strat_69
Ok, to clear a couple things up first off, I play highschool football (center and special teams), and I'm 17.

thats a bit too young bro at 17 bro. U still got alot of test on you, u dont wanna mess ur hormones up. Why not eat alot and get an awesome training programs that will have u packing on mass and strength.

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Originally posted by strat_69
I have a couple concerns though, one is if I can't find anything for post cycle therapy or anything, is there a way I can manipulate dosages and things to work with that, I mean the big guys didn't have anti estrogens in the old days and they did ok, but then I am guessing it's best to make damn sure I have them, I'm just curious.

imo, pct is the most important thing after a cycle. U want to bring up ur natural levels back up so therefore u dont lose either strength or get to keep all the hard gains u made.

bigchub22 · #7 09-05-04, 10:07 PM

Take the advice bro you are way to young dont wanna fuck your body up and you dont even need it at that age

strat_69 · #8 09-06-04, 02:21 AM

I understand I'm a little young or whatever... so I'll keep that in mind.

I've been stuck at like 170 to 178 depending on water etc, for like 4 or 5 months now and it's kind of frustrating. I want to get a taste of the big weight and size and I just don't know..

I've tried upping my food intake, protein, carbs, shifted it around... not much more weight, a pound or two maybe but nothing marvelous. it seems more food is equaling up to bigger loads in the toilet more than I'd like to admit.

If anyone has nonsteroidal suggestions i"ll take them also, but I still want to weigh out doing a cycle also, I won't be making a decision till like november as to what I want to do

majoradams · #9 09-06-04, 02:29 AM

Bro, hang on a minute, you are 17, bodybuilding is a marathon, give it time

house1 · #10 09-06-04, 10:07 AM

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If anyone has nonsteroidal suggestions

creatine and glutamine post workout --

17 is to young to play with steroids !! not going to lecture you but you need to listen to the vets on the boards brother--take heed to there advice-

wait till your older--

i would rather see you use creatine instead of the steroids - keep your water intake high --
make sure your eating enough!! that will be paramount to you growing-
make sure you get plenty of rest

eat enough, train hard, and get alot of rest -- you will grow

therock · #11 09-06-04, 10:49 AM

Yeah man I started almost at your age and yeah grannet I look good and I'm pretty big but the effects that its has on you in the long run are not worth it. Your endocrine system takes a lot of stress when on a cycle. You dont want to fuck up your natural horomone balance at a young age cause then after time you wont be able to get hard. Just listen and if you want to still take the juice try andro or a 1-test product and do that about 2 cycles and watch yourself grow. I got lucky and only temporary effects happened to me but my friend wasnt lucky and now he has to go to the doctor for bi-weekly shots to balance his test levels.

notopher · #12 09-06-04, 02:36 PM

At 17 your testosterone levels are skyrocketing. you dont need steroids. you stop maturing at around 25 and thats usually when your levels start dropping (testosterone). By doing steroids at a young age you could potentially screw up your body, sex drive (libido) and attitude. be careful

strat_69 · #13 09-06-04, 08:20 PM

ok let's say I don't do the juice, are there some good natural methods people have gained a lot from, like protein or calorie cycling, different regimins etc? I just want to get some pounds on and I'll do whatever it takes so I'm open to anything.

also on the dark side of things...if I do good post cycle and make sure to put my anti estrogens etc in just right, I can safely kick my production back to where it was right? or are there cases where it doesn't work out and people have complications.

therock · #14 09-06-04, 08:41 PM

Usually it will work but over time at a young age constanly dropping your natural test is not a good idea. Man trust me when I say this, YOU WILL GET HOOKED ON THE JUICE! You wont care about the sides if you get hooked on it too much. Especially at a young age you will get hooked even more. You will feel like you rely on it. Trust me bro! I cant wait to get back on mine! I am having a hard time waiting for my natural test to go to normal I want to start now. Its hard bro. Just wait at least another 2 years man. Just give it time and work your ass off. If you want the pumps and strength take M1T and Pump tech. But hey its your call your life.

7lok4 · #15 09-06-04, 08:50 PM

As a former player I would strongly urge you to pass on AAS this early in the game. From personal experience I can tell you that it is not he way to go. I deal with the negative effects of using the stuff at too young of an age on a daily basis. Take advantage of this time in your life as you will never have as much of the same hormones natuarlly occuring in your body as you do now. If you have goals of playing in college let your body do as much growing as it can. Once you start you risk missing out on your maximum natual potential. AAS will NOT make you a better player. Concentrate on diet, agility and natual training for now. On the field make yourself the best technician you can. These are the things that will get you noticed. Listen to what the guys on this board tell you, I wish I had a place like this to come to when I was 17, it would have saved me some grief.

Bonezone · #16 09-06-04, 10:55 PM

Straight up - I would trade all my cycles for the natural Test flowing through you now.

Gear will def have a place in your life (or ass I should say) since you do seem pretty well informed and serious.

Just give it time and stay nat for now. Get a solid base and in a few years load up!

Bone