Isn't it true that Nolva doesn't stop Deca induced gyno at all?

[rvgfrth4g]

Well a year ago i got gyno from Deca. And i've never had gyno from anything else. And i only hit Deca 2 times in that cycle and i had gyno growing fast. The gyno went down considerably since then. And recently imy hsoulder has been hurting as i just started my new cycle. So i thought about hitting 300mg of Deca every 7 days just to help and maybe it won't affect the gyno (Last time i was shooting 600mg Deca when i got gyno) So i figured maybe 300mg wouldn't affect it. Well hell no its flared up bad now just off 1 shot of Deca.

I always heard that Nolva won't stop Deca gyno at all, is this true? Or will it help some?

[goliath]

no it won't help. look into getting some bromo...

[rvgfrth4g]

Yeah i've known about Bromo but how much does that actually help? A friend of mine has Nolva I could borrow if it would help at all. Thats why i was wondering.

[goliath]

bromo will probably make you feel like crap, but it will stop it. nolva won't help though...

[rvgfrth4g]

Sounds like fun...

[skinnypuppy]

nope... I got a small lump in my left nip from Deca and Dbol and test... I shoulda went with the EQ

[spidey]

Actually, Nolva will help. Even though deca gyno is caused by it's progestin activity, estrogen still must be present for gyno to develop. In order for gyno to develop, there are 3 or 4 hormones that all have to be there: estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and IGF-1 (I think). Knock out any of those hormones and gyno can't develop. You can shoot yourself full of straight progesterone but if there is no estrogen, gyno can't develop. Estrogen is absolutely necessary. Nolva will block the estrogen in your system from binding to the receptors and exerting it's influence.

I developed a slight case of fina gyno (also progestin related) on my first cycle. I had the hard lumps under the nipples, pointy nips and even some lactation. I took 40 mg nolva ed for a couple weeks and then 20 mg ed for about three months and it completely dissappeared; no lumps or pointy nips or anything.

In my opinion, prolactin inhibitors like bromo or dostinex are almost never needed. Sure, they work because they knock out one of those 4 needed hormones, prolactin. They are also much harsher drugs then nolva though. They are dopamine agonists used to treat people with parkinson's disease and can have some pretty striking effects on mood and brain chemistry in general. Some SSRI's, wellbutrin for example, are also dopamine agonists. What would happen to someone on wellbutrin if they took bromo or dostinex? I would be afraid to find out.

Why take a harsh and therefore inherently risky drug like bromo when you can take a mild, time proven drug like nolva to solve the problem.

[THE BOUNCER]

I am very prone to progesterone induced gyno. Even on very low dose I can feel it getting sensative. Nolv never seems to help with that. Test on the other hand, I have no problems with.

[spidey]

Bouncer - try taking a more efficient anti-e like arimidex or even aromasin. I bet you won't even get sensitive.

[Old Guy]

Bouncer - try taking a more efficient anti-e like arimidex or even aromasin. I bet you won't even get sensitive.

Spidey,
Have you tried aromasin with Fina or Deca?
I've always wanted to throw some Deca in a cycle for the joints, but I'm sensitive to Fina, so I've been afraid to.

[goliath]

Originally posted by spidey
Bouncer - try taking a more efficient anti-e like arimidex or even aromasin. I bet you won't even get sensitive.

this is simply not true. i'll agree that it looks good on paper, but in real life it just does not seem to be so simple. ask b-lean about progesterone gyno/fina and arimidex, or even aromasin which blocks up to 95% of aromatase. He was on (correct me if I'm wrong B) nolva at 40mgs/day, aromasin, and 75mgs/ed of fina and still had itchy puffy nips. He's very progeterone sensitive. He can do high test doses, but if he even looks at deca or fina, he'll get gyno symptoms no matter what kind of anti-e he is on.

[rvgfrth4g]

Well riddle me this! If i can get gyno from just 1 shot of Deca. Then why didn't my gyno flare up on my 8wk cycle of Fina/test? Shouldn't have i got gyno from Fina also? I was hitting Fina 75mg/ed.

[prolangtum]

You read my mind

Originally posted by spidey
Actually, Nolva will help. Even though deca gyno is caused by it's progestin activity, estrogen still must be present for gyno to develop. In order for gyno to develop, there are 3 or 4 hormones that all have to be there: estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and IGF-1 (I think). Knock out any of those hormones and gyno can't develop. You can shoot yourself full of straight progesterone but if there is no estrogen, gyno can't develop. Estrogen is absolutely necessary. Nolva will block the estrogen in your system from binding to the receptors and exerting it's influence.

I developed a slight case of fina gyno (also progestin related) on my first cycle. I had the hard lumps under the nipples, pointy nips and even some lactation. I took 40 mg nolva ed for a couple weeks and then 20 mg ed for about three months and it completely dissappeared; no lumps or pointy nips or anything.

In my opinion, prolactin inhibitors like bromo or dostinex are almost never needed. Sure, they work because they knock out one of those 4 needed hormones, prolactin. They are also much harsher drugs then nolva though. They are dopamine agonists used to treat people with parkinson's disease and can have some pretty striking effects on mood and brain chemistry in general. Some SSRI's, wellbutrin for example, are also dopamine agonists. What would happen to someone on wellbutrin if they took bromo or dostinex? I would be afraid to find out.

Why take a harsh and therefore inherently risky drug like bromo when you can take a mild, time proven drug like nolva to solve the problem.

[spidey]

Originally posted by Old Guy
Spidey,
Have you tried aromasin with Fina or Deca?
I've always wanted to throw some Deca in a cycle for the joints, but I'm sensitive to Fina, so I've been afraid to.

No, but I have tried arimidex. My last cycle was a fina, test prop, dbol cycle and I took arimidex 0.5 mg ede for the first 7 weeks. Somehow, I miscalculated how much I needed for my cycle because I ran out at 7 weeks. I finished the cycle with 40 mg ed nolva.

For the first 7 weeks: No itchy or puffy nips. When I ran out of arimidex, I had puffy, sensitive nips within 1 week. I ended up stopping my cycle early at 9 weeks to avoid gyno.

[spidey]

Originally posted by goliath
this is simply not true. i'll agree that it looks good on paper, but in real life it just does not seem to be so simple. ask b-lean about progesterone gyno/fina and arimidex, or even aromasin which blocks up to 95% of aromatase. He was on (correct me if I'm wrong B) nolva at 40mgs/day, aromasin, and 75mgs/ed of fina and still had itchy puffy nips. He's very progeterone sensitive. He can do high test doses, but if he even looks at deca or fina, he'll get gyno symptoms no matter what kind of anti-e he is on.

Was b-lean also taking some aromatizable AS along with the fina? I bet he was. If someone is very sensitive to progestins, it doesn't take a hell of a lot of estrogen to cause gyno. It sounds like b-lean should stay away from progestin active drugs like fina, deca, and maybe even anadrol. Apparently, he would have to pretty much shut down ALL estrogen production to avoid gyno on those AS. I don't know if that is even possible and probably isn't advisable.

Did b-lean take bromo or dostinex while on fina? Did it protect him from gyno?

[spidey]

Originally posted by BigRed54
Well riddle me this! If i can get gyno from just 1 shot of Deca. Then why didn't my gyno flare up on my 8wk cycle of Fina/test? Shouldn't have i got gyno from Fina also? I was hitting Fina 75mg/ed.

Hard to say. I would have thought fina/test would cause you problems too. Deca and fina both bind to the progesterone receptors but they undoubtedly do so with different binding constants. They are, after all, different compounds. Maybe deca binds more tightly than fina and causes more activation; who knows.

[rock]

any issues of running some nolv and bromom together?

[superchicken]

Originally posted by rock
any issues of running some nolv and bromom together?

go for it,

[prolangtum]

For 90% of us, nolva only will work, in high enough doses (60-80mg ed) 10% may have prolactin problems, in this case, dostinex would probaly be the best cure in conjunction with nolva.

[Hercules]

You obviously didnt have real Deca because real Deca in no way would give you gyno. The Deca you had obviously had some test in it but I am not saying that there was no Deca in it becasue maybe there was but it was not all pure. One way of telling especially if you are taking it alone is that you will begin to feel an effect after a week or 2 where as real Deca takes about 4 weeks to kick in.

I have done real Deca and it took roughly about 4 weeks to kick in and I dont remeber exactly what week it was when the Deca Dick took effect but let me tell you, you would not want to go through it!! LOL!!

If you begin to feel the symptoms of Gyno coming on then start popping the Nolvas (40mg's) ED until you feel it decreasing which is different for everyone but for me was about 2 weeks then take 20mg's ED for a week after. If possible combine it with Clomid for a better effect.

[rvgfrth4g]

You're saying my QV Deca wasn't real? lol I was already on Test/EQ for 3 monthes before i stacked the Deca then after i stacked that the gyno hit me hard. And I recently just started Test/Eq/Dbol then I hit the Deca then the gyno started to flare up bad. I know it takes a long time for Deca to kick in. But on both occasions the day after both times i did Deca, gyno flarred up and kept getting worse.

[superchicken]

your deca was real.

[DRveejay11]

Spidey.........nailed it!