m1t vs. dball - SuperiorMuscle.com

warrior24 · #1 11-09-04, 11:43 PM

here is the story. i am planning on taking a test 250 cycle 350mg a week. well it turns out i have to get a minor sugery in about 4 weeks and it will keep me out of the gym for about a week. my work out partner is starting his cycle very shortly. i dont want him to totally lose me so i was thinking about taking m1t. i started reading up on it and ppl say that u get the sides with out the bang. i also herd that it is like dball so which do yall think would be better to take for a 3 to 4 week cycle just to keep up with my buddy?? i still plan on taking the test when i recover.

jsb6812 · #2 11-10-04, 09:35 AM

i would just wait and not take ne thing before ur sugery..... start the test after ur surgery....

spidey · #3 11-10-04, 11:22 AM

Ditto. Start after your surgery. Steroid use can cause complications or bleeding problems with your surgery.

hitmansb · #4 11-10-04, 12:34 PM

Wait until after your surgery. Then, definately use D-bol rather than M1T. Nearly everyone I know who has tried M1T was disappointed by their results.

barbender · #5 11-10-04, 12:53 PM

Stay away from M1T.Complete waste of time and money.I had some minor gains, it got me off the plateau, but the discomfort in my groin, was not at all worth it.Burning while urinating and cramps in that general area were alot of fun too

Jarconis · #6 11-10-04, 05:28 PM

Hmm, I got better gains of 4 weeks of m1t at 10mg, than 4 weeks of dbol at 40mgs, go figure...

YellowJacket · #7 11-10-04, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by hitmansb
Wait until after your surgery. Then, definately use D-bol rather than M1T. Nearly everyone I know who has tried M1T was disappointed by their results.

You must not know many people, read around the boards at least.

r_deese · #8 11-10-04, 10:09 PM

yeah I'm gonna have to say I got alot better results off m1t than dbol and paid 1/10 the price

Matt76 · #9 11-10-04, 10:10 PM

never used d-bol but so far my M1T cycle is going good. However, I have a few sides but nothing I can't handle

audiowaves252 · #10 11-12-04, 08:52 PM

m1t is some powerful stuff although i'd differentiate the two by saying m1t is like dbol without the crazy bloat/water weight.

therock · #11 11-12-04, 11:07 PM

Maybe yall saying that m1t is better then dbol got some bunk gear. I will tell you right now that nothing on shelf or any other AAS except for Abomb will compare to dbol. Man every time I take it I get bigger and stronger and the funny thing is I keep my gains too. I would like to know what brand of dbol you got.

x_muscle · #12 11-13-04, 01:49 PM

i treied dbol and M1t......M1t gave me much better gains in same period of time, but its much harsher tha dbol.

Cmsmallzz · #13 11-13-04, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by therock
Maybe yall saying that m1t is better then dbol got some bunk gear. I will tell you right now that nothing on shelf or any other AAS except for Abomb will compare to dbol. Man every time I take it I get bigger and stronger and the funny thing is I keep my gains too. I would like to know what brand of dbol you got.

Agreed!! I can't even believe people are comparing the two. Must be a ton of bunk or underdosed d-bol going around...lol

I am not saying m1t is a waste of time but to say its better than d-bol comon...

spidey · #14 11-15-04, 10:32 AM

I am another one who gets much better results from M1T than dbol. On my last real cycle, I did 8 weeks of dbol at 35 mg ed along with test prop and fina. I gained about 15 lbs total from that cycle and lost 8 lbs the week I went off; all water. I did get nearly unbearable pumps and a lot of strength from the dbol but lost all the strength after I went off.

On the other hand, I gained 10 lbs from a 3 week cycle of 15 mg ed M1T and only lost 2 lbs after the cycle. Moreover, I didn't need any PCT as I wasn't shut down at all.

Summary: 0 real weight gain fom dbol. 8 lbs (in less than half the time and with 2.5 times less dosage) from M1T.

Temporary strength gain from dbol. Permanent (albeit a little less) strength gains from M1T.

Acne and hairloss from dbol. No acne or hairloss from M1T.

I have done one other M1T cycle (just finished actually). I gained another 8 lbs. I increased the dosage to 20 mg ed for 4 weeks this time and have come to the conclusion it isn't necessary. At the higher dosage, I did experience some acne and shutdown as well as bad insomnia and some lethargy. I had a hard time eating the amounts of food I needed to. My appetite took a big hit. All that and I got the same results as the lighter cycle.

From now on, no more than 15 mg ed for me and for no longer than 3 weeks.

spidey · #15 11-15-04, 10:34 AM

Oh, and BTW, I test everything I get. No bunk gear will ever get by me. The dbol was legit.

Cmsmallzz · #16 11-15-04, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by spidey
I am another one who gets much better results from M1T than dbol. On my last real cycle, I did 8 weeks of dbol at 35 mg ed along with test prop and fina. I gained about 15 lbs total from that cycle and lost 8 lbs the week I went off; all water. I did get nearly unbearable pumps and a lot of strength from the dbol but lost all the strength after I went off.

On the other hand, I gained 10 lbs from a 3 week cycle of 15 mg ed M1T and only lost 2 lbs after the cycle. Moreover, I didn't need any PCT as I wasn't shut down at all.

Summary: 0 real weight gain fom dbol. 8 lbs (in less than half the time and with 2.5 times less dosage) from M1T.

Temporary strength gain from dbol. Permanent (albeit a little less) strength gains from M1T.

Acne and hairloss from dbol. No acne or hairloss from M1T.

I have done one other M1T cycle (just finished actually). I gained another 8 lbs. I increased the dosage to 20 mg ed for 4 weeks this time and have come to the conclusion it isn't necessary. At the higher dosage, I did experience some acne and shutdown as well as bad insomnia and some lethargy. I had a hard time eating the amounts of food I needed to. My appetite took a big hit. All that and I got the same results as the lighter cycle.

From now on, no more than 15 mg ed for me and for no longer than 3 weeks.

That's interesting Bro...Not doubting your results but we all know everyone reacts different to different substances. Did you feel like you needed a PCT the second time around with the m1t bro?

YellowJacket · #17 11-15-04, 12:07 PM

A dbol only cycle is like sucking tit through a sweater, anyone who runs a dbol only cycle must have gotten bunk advice.

spidey · #18 11-15-04, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Cmsmallzz
That's interesting Bro...Not doubting your results but we all know everyone reacts different to different substances. Did you feel like you needed a PCT the second time around with the m1t bro?

Yes, I think so. My sex drive really went south on this one. I am in the middle of my nolva PCT regimin now and my labido is just starting to get back to normal.

spidey · #19 11-15-04, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by YellowJacket
A dbol only cycle is like sucking tit through a sweater, anyone who runs a dbol only cycle must have gotten bunk advice.

Just clarifying. I was also running test prop and fina. the dbol was just the normal jump-starter. The thing is, my gains came really slowly over the course of that cycle with only 8 lbs gained in the first 8 weeks. After the dbol was over, my gains excellerated a little and I gained another 7 lbs over the next 4 weeks (still slow). I lost 8 lbs the first week I was off; water weight I guess. I did hold on to the 7 lbs but that isn't a lot to show for a 12 week cycle.

therock · #20 11-15-04, 04:05 PM

Good for you spidey on the m1t. But looks like you need to learn how to keep your gains bro. I have done 3 cycles and never lost a dramatic size after getting off. Last cycle was a dbol, sust, and decca cycle. I got up to 194lbs off that one and only went down to 190lbs. Then 2 months later going all natural I got back up to 194lbs. So it just seems to me that you either didnt train as hard when you did the dbol or your nutrition was better when you did the m1t then when you did the dbol. Cause I find it hard to believe that an anabolic that on a scale from 1-100 is at 90 is going to get beat from a over the counter supplement. If anyone agrees or disagrees please post cause I think we have a pretty good thread going here.

YellowJacket · #21 11-15-04, 10:09 PM

Disagree, and although Spidey and I have had our difference, Im going with him on this one and Im going to bet, he's knowledge in this area far exceeds your's.

If you consider a substance weak simply because its OTC, you have a lot to learn.

Matt76 · #22 11-15-04, 11:14 PM

I am just going to thow this in. I'm on week 3 of my M1T cycle and let's just say I have hit PR's every week, and my weight is up and so is my endurance.

However, I am having some sides, Lower back pain, acne, joint pain, feeling tired all the time, yet not being able to fall asleep at night, and I get cotton mouth also.

But I don't care b/c I am pushing some serious weight around the gym right now so I can't complain. i'll give a couple examples

2weeks ago I was doing seated db military press- 95'sx7 not bad
one week later I did the 100'sx7 almost 8

Last week did flat db bench with the 130'sx3 felt like I had one or two reps left in the tank. This week I did the 130'sx7 and it felt like I had a few reps left in the tank. I just don't like going to failure on these so I don't overtrain.

I don't know about you guys but I think that shows some good results

therock · #23 11-15-04, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by YellowJacket
Disagree, and although Spidey and I have had our difference, Im going with him on this one and Im going to bet, he's knowledge in this area far exceeds your's.

If you consider a substance weak simply because its OTC, you have a lot to learn.

Ok first off, never said because a product is OTC that it doesnt work bro. Check out my adenergy and thermogain posts. I think those products are badass and I also think M1T is badass too but to compare it to dbol now that is where I say no way. I dont know what these people are taking when they do take dbol. Cause I have never heard of anyone taking it and not gaining. If you cant gain at least 10-15lbs off dbol combined w/ test or something else then either your diet or your genes suck plain and simple. Also for some people that have already said that dbols weight gain is mostly water thats where you are wrong too. Cause dbol is very Carbolic and anabolic that means that it has a badass cutting effect! Meaning that if you take it the right way with the right diet you gain all that 15lbs and most of it be solid but not a lot of people take it the right way and thats why people lose all their gains. Now with M1T I dont know that much as far as what its effects are but I do know that a lot of people are saying that their gains are water.

YellowJacket · #24 11-16-04, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by therock
If you cant gain at least 10-15lbs off dbol combined w/ test or something else then either your diet or your genes suck plain and simple.

Whoa whoa, Id hope youd gain 10-15lbs when combined with test. We're talking a head to head comparison. M1t to dbol, not m1t to dbol and test. M1t alone will do 10lbs, given diet and training is in order, and I wouldnt doubt dbol alone would do the same, difference is you wont keep 10lbs or close to that when you come off dbol. M1t is an anabolic steroid, whether anyone likes it or not.

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Also for some people that have already said that dbols weight gain is mostly water thats where you are wrong too. Cause dbol is very Carbolic and anabolic that means that it has a badass cutting effect! Meaning that if you take it the right way with the right diet you gain all that 15lbs and most of it be solid but not a lot of people take it the right way and thats why people lose all their gains. Now with M1T I dont know that much as far as what its effects are but I do know that a lot of people are saying that their gains are water.

Not sure what you mean by Carbolic, I only know of Carbolic acid.....

diplomats · #25 11-16-04, 10:18 AM

I think that THEROCK might be a very good tester in trying out M1T to see if it really lives up the hype, since he has aas experience.

diplomats · #26 11-16-04, 10:28 AM

Actually i spent quite sometime yesterday researching the M1T on some other forums. I have come to find out that even some ex-steriod users said that they think the M1T can rival most AAS. with gains anywere from 10 to 15 pounds in three weeks. of course you will gain water weight, but it is to a minimal. Although it is kind of hard on the liver but milk thisle, ala will help with that.

there is another compound i read about on planet muscle called
MDHT which is methyl dht this compound is suppose to be stronger that masteron. Has anyone heard of them?