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#1
11-19-04, 09:44 AM
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Doesn't sound right
someone gave me this as a cycle but it does not go along with anything I have read on this site.
45mg whinny ed for weeks 1 thru 10 (oral tabs) 50mg of prop e3d for weeks 1 thru 4 100mg Aquatest eod for weeks 5 thru 10 PCT Now I thought that tabs for whinny 45mg ED was a little much on the liver. I also thought that prop was 100mg to 150mg eod not 50mg every 3rd day. Also I was never told how long of a ester was used with Aquatest. This was what "my guy" told me to do. I questioned the low test for the first 4 weeks and he said that it was because of the whinny. Now the Whinny is boarder line too much/too long so any opinions are welcome. I also have 25ml of test e 250 laying around from my first cycle so I could use that in conjuction with the prop/aquatest and whinny. This will be my second cycle and it will be 10 weeks since my previous cycle. 34yrs old 220 bf 16% 5'6" diet is inline Last edited by Mr. Smith : 11-19-04 at 09:56 AM. 
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#2
11-19-04, 10:25 AM
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Your 'guy' doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. That, or he just wants to get rid of some particular items in his stock, so he went ahead and threw them together into a cycle for you.
Test Prop should be taken every other day, not every third day, at 100mg. Doing suspension every other day is going to cause you to have peaks and valleys in your test levels, which is never ideal; test suspension should be taken every day (or if you can tolerate frequent injects, dividing the dose into two shots per day...one upon waking and then again 8 hours later is even better). Use 50mg of aquatest every day, not 100mg EOD. Oral winny should not be run for more than 6 weeks IMO, due to liver stress. There's nothing wrong with doing a test and winny cycle, but it just doesn't make sense the way your 'guy' has laid it out. Discuss what your goals are for this cycle, and we'll be able to design you something better.
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#3
11-19-04, 10:33 AM
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I don't know what ester is on aquatest but unless it is acetate or prop, 100 mg eod is a low dose. Test prop at 50 mg e3d is rediculous IMO; too low as well. Winny (or any other oral) for 10 weeks is ill advised; too hard on the liver. Winny will also dry out your joints and may cause joint pain.
If you're looking for a test/winny cycle, I would go with one of the following two cycles: weeks 1-6: 50 mg winny ed weeks 1-2: 50 mg ed test prop (or 100 mg eod)+250 mg test enan ew weeks 3-12: 542 mg test enan ew (2.17 mL) weeks 14-16: PCT OR Do the same cycle but put the winny on the back 6 weeks and adjust diet to help you cut. The reasoning behind my suggestions is: Put the short acting prop in the front 2 weeks to get you going faster. When the enan starts kicking in (about 2 weeks), you can switch totally to the enan (or keep running the prop). Use the winny as a kickstart (front 6 weeks) or as a cutting aid (last 6 weeks). The odd looking volume of test enan (2.17 mL) is just the 2 mL you save the first 2 weeks by using prop, spread out and added to 2 mL per week to use up your 25 mL in the 12 week cycle. I don't know what the aquatest is so I don't have any suggestions for it. You should have all of your ancillaries in hand before you start. Have your nolva, clomid, letro, etc. Anyone else have suggestions?
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#4
11-19-04, 11:24 AM
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I will post a link to my first cycle and my training/diet. In this post I took everyones sugestions so the workout and a couple of other points were modified. Any Advice welcomed My goals are to put on as much LBM in 10 weeks (safely). However much that is I have no idea. I have on hand 500 BD whinny 5mg tabs 25ml of Test E 250(QV) 250mg/1ml 30ml of Aquatest (DK) 100mg/1ml 40ml samsil testo Prop 50mg/1ml Now the important stuff. I have 12 dozen eggs, 16 sirlon steaks, 6 jars Natty peanutbutter, 12 bags frozen chicken breasts, 20lbs of ground sirlon, 15lbs of ground turkey, 4 gallons vanilla icecream. I am also getting a half of cow from my buddy in mid-december. I need help putting together a cycle that won't risk my health or waste my time or money. I have read a little bit in the description section on Aquatest but not enough to learn how long the ester is. Last edited by Mr. Smith : 11-19-04 at 11:44 AM.
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11-19-04, 11:35 AM
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I am also aware of the fact that my source does not know his ass from a hole in the ground. Aside from that the gear he gets is legit and yes he is screwing me on the price but what can I do. I just come here for help and keep going to work so I can pay for it.
I am still on the last few weeks of my frist cycle so I am just getting everthing together for next Feb.
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11-19-04, 11:35 AM
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I think aquatest may just be suspension; no ester. I personally am not a big fan of suspension. The half life is too short for it to be effective. I have a chemistry paper from the 60's that measured test susp as only 26% as androgenic and 35% as anabolic as test prop when injected into rats. I believe the relative half lives of test base and test prop are mostly to blame for that disparagment. I would stick with the test prop.
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11-19-04, 11:40 AM
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At 5'6" and 220, you are already a pretty big guy so you probably could even increase the test dosage a bit from my suggestions. I would keep more of the short acting test prop at the beginning and taper it a little over the first couple weeks while tapering up the test enan to arrive at a final test dose (combined) of maybe 750 mg ew.
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11-19-04, 11:52 AM
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So I guess I am just screwed this time. Live and learn. If I can get him to take back the Aqua test I am. I told him I wanted a stronger formula for the Prop cuz 3ml eod was too much for me so wtf is he giving me suspension that needs to be inj. twice a day for?? I am so PISSED OFF.
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11-19-04, 12:56 PM
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Damn gym sources, LOL. I think he is just pissed. I bet in a week or two, he'll still take your money. Just be sure about what you want before you order. I can understand his angst. This isn't like buying a newspaper on the corner; this is illegal and the more contact you have with him, the more risk it puts both he and you. I would wager most sources have a no return policy. If you don't know what it is and how to use it, don't order it.
Most prop I have seen is dosed at 100 mg/mL.
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11-19-04, 01:40 PM
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no offence but the one you should be pissed off at is the guy who looks back at you in the mirror I only say this because it sounds like you know about as much on gear as your "source" does I researched for 2 years yes 2 full years befor I ever bought or started a cycle I knew as much as there was to know about what esters I wanted and what dosages and how long I was going to be on you should have been a little more on top of what you wanted befor you went off and just bought up some stuff from this guy next time know what you are talking about and what you want befor you hand over any money
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#12
11-19-04, 04:28 PM
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He suggested the AquaTest said it was the shit and what he would do. I guess I heard the mg/ml and said yeah that's better Aqua=Water probally water-based....but I was wrong. Point is he still thinks that whinny for 10 weeks is cool....prop 50mg every third day is good and test suspension eod is alright too. So he is pissed at me for not wanting to do it. I'll stick to getting advice from Vets who know what their talking about and don't post on my thread patting their own backs for never making a mistake.
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11-19-04, 04:34 PM
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anyway thanks Spidey I think I will go with one of the cycles you suggested. It was what I was going to do anyway just double checking first. Oh and I know your secret...... Your avatar is wolverine not spiderman hehe.
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11-19-04, 06:39 PM
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11-19-04, 10:08 PM
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if knowing what I was doing and having the research to back it up is patting myself on the back so be it you posted a thread that I responded to if you do not like what I had to say then sorry I hurt your feelings but for you to be putting something in your body because someone else said it was cool is ..... well that just speaks for itself and as for who you listen to thats up to you I gave you no advise on how much to take or for how long (it seems like you have that handled from you first post) my advise was research take it or leave it and I am a vet at beyondmass.com just for future reference best of luck to you !
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#16
11-19-04, 11:49 PM
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I believe Aquatest is a mix of prop and enthanate if my memory serves. 50mg prop 200 mg enthanate. I am positive it states this on the label if i still had some laying around id check but i always toss the emptys.
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#17
11-20-04, 12:45 PM
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Aquatest is 100mg/ml test suspension. And Mr. Smith that is water based... Last edited by Cmsmallzz : 11-20-04 at 12:48 PM.
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11-20-04, 05:16 PM
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Thanks everyone for the advice. There was never a question what I was going to do with the Prop or the Whinny. That is all over this board. I was just stating what he said. So people could see that there is much misinformation out there. I was also showing that when I tried to correct him he got mad at me for it. So do I side step his ego or make it work for myself. Well from what I see I will run;
500mg test e for weeks 1 to 10 100mg prop eod weeks 1 to 3 50mg whinny ed weeks 4 thru 10 25mg aquatest am/pm weeks 11 thru 12 PCT day after last shot I will use the aquatest to make transition off cycle smoother
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11-20-04, 05:24 PM
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11-20-04, 06:52 PM
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11-20-04, 10:40 PM
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Spidey just curious why you suggest waiting 3 weeks after last shot of enanthate to start PCT? I always thought that 2 weeks was sufficient for enanthate or cypionate, Last edited by Cmsmallzz : 11-20-04 at 10:52 PM.
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12-08-04, 12:40 PM
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I am one week from PCT and stopped the Test E last tuesday. I wanted to try the Aquatest with the Prop on my way out of this cycle.
I went with 25mg of Prop and 25mg of Test Sup AM/PM for the first 3 days. Then to save pinz and pinpricks I went to ED 50/50mg Prop and Test Sup. After 3 more shots I couldn't walk anymore. I have decided that Test E and Prop are not anywhere near as painful as this crap. So I am running the Prop till Friday and then Starting PCT on Tuesday. Day1 300mg Clomid/20mg Nolva 2-11 100mg Clomid/20mg Nolva 12-21 50mg Clomid/20mg Nolva If I do another cycle it will be with the Whinny and Prop/Test E and that Aquatest is going in the shitter where it belongs.
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