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barbender · #1 11-21-04, 09:13 AM

I am about to start my first cycle. I chose eq for various reasons. My question is this, doing injections in my glutes, what gauge pin and what length. I have no fat on my ass, so I was thinking 1 in pin. I cant seem to find anything on this so anyhelp is appreciated. I know eq is a thicker oil base, so can I not shoot my quads? Thanks everyone

Pumpdogg · #2 11-21-04, 10:25 AM

Only EQ? Why not run some test only for your first cycle instead. You can make great gains off it. A 1" pin is fine, some prefer 1.5 for the glutes, however I have used 5/8 4 without any problem..ie.. drug not making it in the muscle because of fat etc.. Barbender have you searched the forum for first cycle stacks? I think you still need to do your homework. Whats your stats? Your profile says you are 23 and a personal trainer.

PD

ROCKETW19 · #3 11-21-04, 01:03 PM

test first cycle like pumpdog said! 1" or 1.5" for your ass 1" for quads i use 25 gage!

Stonecold54 · #4 11-21-04, 01:10 PM

I use 5/8 inch needles for everything. unless someone is really fat I don't see the need to plunge something an inch or farther in.

barbender · #5 11-21-04, 01:11 PM

Yeah I have looked around at some suggestions for first cycles, and I found that eq was on par with what I am trying to do, and not do. I want some help with gaining some solid mass and some strength gains. I don't however want to raise any questions at work. I felt that with test I would add too much too quick and people would start to talk. The research I did on eq led me to believe that I will make slow steady gains and not experiece too many sides. That is really what I want. I don't need to be 250lbs @7%bf or anything. Here are my current stats, like I said any help is appreciated. Is a 25 gauge cool for eq? 23yrs 175lbs 9% bf 5'9". Lifting about 3 yrs. bench 330, squat around 375, dead lift the same.

shortz · #6 11-21-04, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by stonecold54
I use 5/8 inch needles for everything. unless someone is really fat I don't see the need to plunge something an inch or farther in.

Well, us bigger guys have to use longer needles to get though all of that muscle.

pumpdogg:

Even if you did get some in the fat, you think it would make much of a difference? It wouldn't. It will still be used in the same way, it will just take longer to absorb, that's all.

Pumpdogg · #7 11-21-04, 03:28 PM

cool shortz like I said I used 5/8 for a long time and everything always worked out just fine. Thanks for the info

PD

ROCKETW19 · #8 11-21-04, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by barbender
Yeah I have looked around at some suggestions for first cycles, and I found that eq was on par with what I am trying to do, and not do. I want some help with gaining some solid mass and some strength gains. I don't however want to raise any questions at work. I felt that with test I would add too much too quick and people would start to talk. The research I did on eq led me to believe that I will make slow steady gains and not experiece too many sides. That is really what I want. I don't need to be 250lbs @7%bf or anything. Here are my current stats, like I said any help is appreciated. Is a 25 gauge cool for eq? 23yrs 175lbs 9% bf 5'9". Lifting about 3 yrs. bench 330, squat around 375, dead lift the same.

yes 25gage will work just fine but i still say test instead of EQ. bro no offence but your 175 lbs go with test and chicken breast stack! i know your minds made up so good luck. and post your results when your done.

Skyefire · #9 11-22-04, 08:09 AM

Nothing wrong with a EQ only cycle if hes not looking for much in the gains department. Given its mild nature it makes for an excellent first cycle base. 500 to 600mg a week for 14 weeks would do just what he wants. Just be sure diet and training are in check.

For EQ use a 20g needle to draw with and a 25g 1" needle to inject with. should be all you need. good luck!

barbender · #10 11-22-04, 01:50 PM

thanks for the posts everyone. I will post my results in a few weeks. Hopefully will see some gains, but nothing crazy, so I don't loose my job.

therock · #11 11-22-04, 03:31 PM

What is it that you do that you will lose your job if you get bigger? I was 150lbs once before and now I am 200lbs and never lost my job. Oh and by the way a test only cycle will not get you to 250lbs prob not even 200lbs. So I dont know why you would take eq first, if eq takes about 6 wks to kick in and you most likely wont get what you want off it.

barbender · #12 11-22-04, 04:08 PM

To answer rocks question, I am a personal trainer at a sort of straight and narrow gym. All the trainers, with one exception, are natural. The one who isn't was already huge when he started. Me on the other hand, if I gain 15 or 20 lbs too quickly, people are gonna start to talk. That is why I chose eq. From my research I have found that it provides slow steady gains. Am I wrong here, everyone keeps telling me to go test. I am just scared that I would gain too fast, and get busted.

Skyefire · #13 11-23-04, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by barbender
To answer rocks question, I am a personal trainer at a sort of straight and narrow gym. All the trainers, with one exception, are natural. The one who isn't was already huge when he started. Me on the other hand, if I gain 15 or 20 lbs too quickly, people are gonna start to talk. That is why I chose eq. From my research I have found that it provides slow steady gains. Am I wrong here, everyone keeps telling me to go test. I am just scared that I would gain too fast, and get busted.

Test only is a popularly believed to be the first cycle of choice almost to the point of being dogma, however that is far to broad of practice sence there are numerous down sides to it is a well. Everyones needs are differnt. EQ only is just fine for what you want. There are a couple of things to remember here.

1. EQ takes time. In your case this is a plus as it will avoid questions. But it takes almost a full 6 weeks to kick in. If you don't want to wait that long double the dosage the first 2 weeks to allow it to build up the depot faster. Even so it needs to be ran for at least 12 weeks for full benifits. 14 to 16 even better

2. EQ is exspencive compared to test. Bang for buck its not high on the totolm pole. On the plus side it is lower on sides.

3. EQ is mild in strength. even at 150lb you would want to run 500 to 600mg a week (once or twice a week shots as you perfer) were 400mg of test would make you grow more. Agin with you needs this is not bad at all.

4. EQ does have a side that cause people to gain more wieght then any drug, it makes you hungery and you eat more. I will never try and cut with it again. However if your trying to gain some wieght this is worth more then the drug itself.

5. While EQ is not very supressive it still is supressive. Full PCT is required after cycle .

I would run it like this
600mg EQ a week week 1 to 14
Start PCT week with 40mg of nolvadex ED for 2 weeks then 20mg ed for another 2 weeks.
optional: 250iu hcg twice a week for weeks 7 to 16.

barbender · #14 11-23-04, 10:04 AM

Skyfire, thanks for the post. Nice to actually have someone read my post and tell me something other than,TEST! I mean, I appreciate everything that everyone has posted, I am still learning, but I have done the research, and I genuinely feel that eq is my best choice, as it is on par with my goals. But damn it is expensive.

ROCKETW19 · #15 11-23-04, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by barbender
Skyfire, thanks for the post. Nice to actually have someone read my post and tell me something other than,TEST! I mean, I appreciate everything that everyone has posted, I am still learning, but I have done the research, and I genuinely feel that eq is my best choice, as it is on par with my goals. But damn it is expensive.

bro i did read your first post you said nuttin about gettin busted at your job untill half way down the thread. skyfire loves EQ and so do i just not by its self. yes i have done it by its self (1st cycles any drug will amaze you) but i still would go with test and a anti-e over EQ. just IMO.

Cmsmallzz · #16 11-23-04, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by barbender
But damn it is expensive.

Go with a good UG lab for EQ and you will pay half the price your probably paying now if not even less.

Cmsmallzz · #17 11-23-04, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by shortz
Even if you did get some in the fat, you think it would make much of a difference? It wouldn't. It will still be used in the same way, it will just take longer to absorb, that's all.

That and a huge painful bruise if too much ends up sub-q. And it will take a looooot longer to absorb.

barbender · #18 11-23-04, 02:55 PM

hey rocket, I meant no disrespect. Like I said, I am still new to the game, and I greatly appreciate any input. I would love to go test, and swell up, but like I said,it could bite me in the ass at work. Thanks again for the info.

jaypee · #19 11-23-04, 06:39 PM

I just started using 25 1". I don't think I will every use anything else.

shortz · #20 11-23-04, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Cmsmallzz
That and a huge painful bruise if too much ends up sub-q. And it will take a looooot longer to absorb.

Subcu is generally used with a 5/8 inch needle. How is someone actually going to get that accomplished with a 1 inch needle? You would have to be one big fat ass and if so, then they need to focus on diet and training before steroids.