Superdrol PCT - SuperiorMuscle.com

BBAddict · #1 08-08-05, 01:14 PM

this may not belong in the anabolics section, but it's as anabolic as I'm gonna get for now, so bear with me! Actually, I figure the anabolic users would know most about this anyway. I'm probably gonna do a cycle of superdrol (methasteron) and I was wondering about the PCT. I know it's not technically a steroid, so I don't know exactly what PCT to follow. They recommend following it up with their rebound xt product, which was recently recalled so I don't have a ton of confidence in it and I'm not exactly sure what it is anyway. I've also read that nolva would be a good option for pct instead of the rebound product. Any info on pct options for superdrol including proper dosing and timing would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Also, anybody that's used this with good/bad results your experience would be appreciated. I'm wondering how much I can expect to gain from this. I've set a goal weight and now I'm wondering if it's feasible. Thanks again.

beefcake · #2 08-08-05, 01:47 PM

Superdrol probably more closely resembles proviron or a dht product. Do pct like you would with any other steroid. Rebound xt is typically 7-oxo and androstenetrione. Pretty much just a 6-oxo product. All depends on how fast you want to recover. I say still do nolva. I don't think superdrol is a mass gaining product. I believe it's more for strength and aggression.

sekcbeast · #3 08-08-05, 03:09 PM

I'm in the first week of my three weeker, and I plan on running PCT as if I were taking M1T. 40mg of nolva the first week, 20mg the next two. So far I like Superdrol better than M1T, less sides and less water retention. Good luck if you decide to run it.

NYCmitch25 · #4 08-08-05, 09:01 PM

^^^good advice. how many weeks would you run SD? and 10 or 20mg of SD?
probably 2-3 weeks @ 10mg. ever look at ergomax? I am no veteran but I am well read. An alternative to running nolva for 3 weeks (something you can research further).
week 1: sd 10mg
week 2: sd 10-20mg
week 3: sd 10-20mg
week 4: sd 10-20mg (I would not recommend it)
pct day 1: nolva 60mg + 25mg atd
pct day 2: nolva 40mg + 50mg atd
pct day 3: nolva 20mg + 75mg atd
pct day 4-7: atd 75mg + 1.5g Fenugreek + activate + zma (b4 bed - estrogen at its highest)
pct week 2: 50mg atd + 2g Fenugreek + activate + zma (b4 bed)
pct week 3: 25mg atd + 2.5g Fenugreek + activate + zma (b4 bed)
*if you go this far.
pct week 4: 25mg atd + 3g Fenugreek + activate + zma (b4 bed)

Nolva longer period if your prone to gyno.
ATD is: 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione or 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene
10mg of SD should be fine to start, don't bump it up until you stop gaining

NYCmitch25 · #5 08-08-05, 09:06 PM

Im sure BigPeteFox and YJ could help you further when you get serious about it...

BBAddict · #6 08-08-05, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCmitch25

week 4: sd 10-20mg (I would not recommend it)

Thanks a ton for the reply. Tons of help.
Are you saying that you would only recommend 3wks of sd? What is the danger of pushing it that 4th week.
I'll definitely get those things for PCT.

Pumpdogg · #7 08-08-05, 11:32 PM

4 weeks will be fine with the superdrol,,, just know that it is going to put your cholesterol levels out of whack very badly, and I mean very badly... Before the ban, I ran M1t, 4AD etc ( pro hormones/pro steriods) and really for the price your body has to pay you are much better off using juice... This is just my opinion, one from many years of experience with juice and lesser with the above... I have seen my liver values go way up and my cholesterol get soo out of whack my doctor put me on Zetia to try and get my good cholesterol back up... It was like 7 after "supplements", however I never had any of the above before when I would cycle in between appointments with my endo for HRT... I have used test and dbol together between doc visits without any problems, but one cycle of 4ad/m1t screwed me all up.... Just a word of precaution..

BTW go ahead and use the nolva, it will be fine and give you peace of mind... I am a big fan of clomid too, it has done wonders for me recently

PD

NYCmitch25 · #8 08-09-05, 07:01 AM

Good post PD.
The activate and zma aren't necessary, but i do feel they will help you tremendously. If you're going to skip one, skip the zma and keep the activate. If you have the budget for both, keep both. You should stick to 10mg ed of superdrol unless you aren't seeing any results and three weeks. From what Ive seen the bloodwork results stick with three weeks. 21-23 days is the ideal superdrol cycle. Nolva or Relaxifene is great for gyno since it is breast tissue specific.

However there are better products now, but you can use nolva (not clomid, i don't recommend clomid for anything), for the first 2-4 days of your pct because it works very fast and can be great to kickstart your pct. atd takes a little while to bind to the enzymes, so blocking all of the receptors right away can be a huge advantage, especially for those who are predisposed to gyno.

Suicide Inhibitors:

6-oxo - at based
Rebound XT - atd based
Kilosports Attack - atd based
Novedex XT - atd based
ALRI Ultra Hot - atd based
Arimidex (Anastrozole) - prescription

Serms:

Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) - prescription
Clomid (clomiphene citrate) - prescription

LH mimitek:

HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin)

Natural Test Boosters:

Activate
Diesel Test
Blue Rhino

Other additions:

Fenugreek
Long Jack
Avena Sativa
DHEA
7-oxo-dhea (oral or transdermal)
Tribulus

NYCmitch25 · #9 08-09-05, 07:03 AM

Do your own research but this is more of what I found.

While nolva and clomid are quite popular, they have several drawbacks. Firstly, both nolva and clomid show an affinity for increasing shbg. It should be noted that clomid raises levels of shbg more so than nolva. If you are not familiar with the effects of elevated shbg, let me help. When nolva and clomid increase lh and fsh, they stimulate more production of test in the testes. When shbg increases the test produced in the body tends to be bound test. As we know, this is detrimental to our goals. We want free test, which only occurs when levels of test are elevated, but shbg remains low.

Another drawback is that nolva and clomid are extremely hepatoxic. That makes them less than optimal for use as pct to a methyl compound. Combining a 3-5 week cycle of a methylated aas/ph/ps with a pct of 3-5 weeks of clomid and/or nolva would be very taxing on the liver.

Clomid also has another problem. It should only be used for a week at most. While it is superior at stimulating lh production, it also decreases sensitivity in the pituitary to Gnrh. This means that as use of clomid continues, the pituitary will produce less lh despite the increase in Gnrh.

Nolva's last drawback is due to its very nature. Since it only blocks estrogen receptors, it allows circulating estrogen to continue to exist. If used for pct of an aromatizing drug, levels of circulating estrogen would be greatly increased when nolva usage was discontinued. Again, this is a less than desirable characteristic, as one of our main goals was to limit estrogen induces sides.

The both work, just another viewpoint.

BBAddict · #10 08-09-05, 07:58 AM

Thanks guys, I'll do a little more research and decide what to do.

Pumpdogg · #11 08-09-05, 05:25 PM

B here is all the info you could want to read regarding Superdrol... big fans at this site
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/searc...earchid=390966

What was once the cats meow is now not soo recommended by the same people that loved it before... You be the judge bro...... I know several people who bought tons of this stuff as well as m1t etc pre ban, and now wish they had not done so due to the problems they have incurred...

PD

BBAddict · #12 08-09-05, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpdogg

B here is all the info you could want to read regarding Superdrol... big fans at this site
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/searc...earchid=390966

PD

Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator. I guess I need somebody that's already registered there to help me out on this one. Thanks!

therock · #13 08-10-05, 03:00 AM

I know someone on this board that just got off of Superdrol. He ran it I think 4-5wks and went from about 210 to 225lbs.

BBAddict · #14 08-10-05, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by therock

I know someone on this board that just got off of Superdrol. He ran it I think 4-5wks and went from about 210 to 225lbs.

I've heard a lot of similar results but now PD has me concerned about what it will do to my cholestrol levels or my liver. They're both fine now but I've never done a cycle of anything and I really don't wanna start screwing up my liver (liver disease runs in my family). I had read a lot about SD, but never heard much about negative sides on the liver and cholestrol.

BBAddict · #15 08-10-05, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by therock

I know someone on this board

Would that someone care to share any negative sides that they did or did not see? Please?!

spidey · #16 08-10-05, 10:11 AM

Superdrol IS a steroid. It is 17-methylated masterone pretty much. Just do your PCT like you would for any other steroid. Clomid or Nolva will suffice.

Also, clomid and nolva are not "extremely hepatatoxic". I don't know where he got that. Breast cancer patients take large doses of nolva for extended periods of time without high incidence of liver problems and they don't even take liver supps.

therock · #17 08-10-05, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BBAddict

Would that someone care to share any negative sides that they did or did not see? Please?!

I will call him up and ask him to post. He is real secretive about these things. He doesnt want anyone to think he is on real gear, cause he is not. But some people tend to say that SD is on the same level, thats why he is like that.

beefcake · #18 08-10-05, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by therock

I will call him up and ask him to post. He is real secretive about these things. He doesnt want anyone to think he is on real gear, cause he is not. But some people tend to say that SD is on the same level, thats why he is like that.

It is real gear. It's an active steroid and needs no conversion. Just cause it's not scheduled like all the rest means nothing.

therock · #19 08-10-05, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by beefcake

It is real gear. It's an active steroid and needs no conversion. Just cause it's not scheduled like all the rest means nothing.

I agree, but to him it doesnt count as one.

BBAddict · #20 08-10-05, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beefcake

It is real gear. It's an active steroid and needs no conversion. Just cause it's not scheduled like all the rest means nothing.

Is it allowed for natural bodybuilding contests?

beefcake · #21 08-10-05, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BBAddict

Is it allowed for natural bodybuilding contests?

Nope. All steroids and prohormones aren't. It's usually called a pro-steroid or designer steroid, but an aas all the same.

NYCmitch25 · #22 08-10-05, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spidey

Superdrol IS a steroid. It is 17-methylated masterone pretty much. Just do your PCT like you would for any other steroid. Clomid or Nolva will suffice.

Good post Spidey and im sure your quite versed in PCT and you are entitled to your opinion. Everything I have read says otherwise. I'll put it this way, nolva has 2 real advantages: firstly, it acts faster. Since it binds to the receptor instead of the enzyme its effects are seen immediately. Secondly, it is very powerful in the liver, which is why it is so helpful in recovering healthy lipid values. From what ive seen and read, the best way to use it is for 3 days at the beginning of pct, 60/40/20 while increasing your atd dosage 25/50/75. Starting day 4 you would drop nolva and keep using the atd and taper it down slowly over a 3-4 week period.

From a scientific standpoint, it appears atd is better at boosting test levels, is equally as good at blocking estrogen, has less side effects, does not increase shbg, and won't allow for estrogen rebound.

I think people need to move along with the times. You got to remember, people always resist change. Experienced users are going to use nolva because when they started atd didn't even exist as a supplement.
atd is a 100% proven anti-aromatose. There is no denying it because it has already been tested thousands of times. It is PROVEN to greatly increase test. It is PROVEN to inhibit estrogen.

There are all sorts of procedures available today that people won't use because of the "risk" but that doesn't mean they aren't better. Certainly lasik surgery is a better alternative to glasses or contacts, but for the first 3-4 years I didn't see too many people jumping at the chance to have a laser beam in their eyes.

I will concede atds havent been around as long as clomid and nolva which are "tried and true." I usually dont post in anabolics section but ive done my homework and BBaddict has helped many ppl on this board (like me). Just my .02$

Pumpdogg · #23 08-11-05, 12:40 AM

^ Uh dude Spidey knows his shit to the T... How bout you post your scientific studies that prove your theorys???

B I am going to see what I can post in a thread for you

Pumpdogg · #24 08-11-05, 12:53 AM

Lets see if this link will work, and BTW B registration seems to be up from what I have seen
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23595
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21707

You are going to have to register bro... I checked again and everything is running fine

PD