Rear traps

[ectomorph]

I have been trying to get my rear traps bigger for 10 years now and they are still tiny. I looked into synthrol and that for the most part is just oil. I was wondering if there are too many nerves in you back to injet an oil based AAS to promote site enhancement. I have tried every exersize and nothing works. I am just negitive on the genes back there. Let me know as I am scared there are going to be too many veins/nerves back there to stick anything. thanks in advance ECTO :hmmm:

[Gort]

1) What do you mean "rear" traps?
2) Any pics?
3) Exercises you have done for them?

We usually refer to upper, mid, and lower traps.
Shrugs, overhead presses, and especially DL's are usually the way to go for upper traps. Wide rowing is for middle traps (as opposed to low rows).

[muscle_n_blood]

By you referring to them as "rear traps" (there are no front traps, even though you can see them from the front if they are at all developed) I get the feel that you are not all that experienced at this. Shrugs and conventional deadlifts are the excercises you want to hammer. Genetics are a factor... Some people get good trap development from overhead pressing and upright rows. Mine only respond to heavy weight. For now, I think you need to get your suggestions in the training section, not the anabolic section.

[MusclePilot]

Do some behind the back barbell shrugs on the smith machine. I used to do 100 reps with 135lbs on the bar and my traps literally exploded in size.

[rado]

Let me know when your rear traps grow.....Do traps on back days.....Good luck with the oil enhancement...

[ectomorph]

Woe woe woe..... I am very experienced, I fatfingured my topic as it was very late at night. I have been working out for over 10 years now. The part I am refering to is the middle part of the trap that you can only see if you were looking at someones back. I have done all the above mentioned (with an exception to rear shrugs for sets of 100, which I might try) I am resorting to the above stated oil aas enhancement as none of these training methods have worked for me and I was wondering if there are too many nerves running through your back to site inject there. I know I have a very hard time shooting my legs as I seem to always hit a nerve, I still do but in your back I would imagine that there are alot of nerves? Has anyone shot AAS in there traps before?

[rado]

Originally Posted by ectomorph

Woe woe woe..... I am very experienced, I fatfingured my topic as it was very late at night. I have been working out for over 10 years now. The part I am refering to is the middle part of the trap that you can only see if you were looking at someones back. I have done all the above mentioned (with an exception to rear shrugs for sets of 100, which I might try) I am resorting to the above stated oil aas enhancement as none of these training methods have worked for me and I was wondering if there are too many nerves running through your back to site inject there. I know I have a very hard time shooting my legs as I seem to always hit a nerve, I still do but in your back I would imagine that there are alot of nerves? Has anyone shot AAS in there traps before?

I have done the traps shot before, not much pain depending on the gear of course. Do you train traps on back or shoulder days? You can see at spotinjections how they shoot the trap.

[al the chemist]

I would work out traps on shoulder days and one exercise that hits the spot your talking about would be slow shrugs flexing the traps at the bottom of the shrug holding for 3 seconds then shrugging upwards holding it at the top for 3 seconds as well and do this for 3 sets failure each time, just something I adapted and has worked very well

[ectomorph]

I train traps on back day, when doing back I do all my pull movements in the same day. I will go ahead and give it a shot, literaly. lol Thanks for your help and I will keep you posted. Ecto

[wheyman]

I would suggest adjusting your training before resorting to oil. Oil just doesn't look natural IMO. You never said how many sets or movements you do for traps..You could be overtraining or under training. I myself am working on bringing up my traps and I find that doing partial deadlifts supersetted with db shrugs work really well.

I do traps once a week barbell shrugs 495lbs 10 reps 5 sets rest and grpw

K

[BodyJBbuild]

..traps are traps...i train my traps on back days...just shruggs..works great for me
synthol? that shit dont stay in ur body does it?...i dont know much about it and i dont plan onto

[Alin]

Originally Posted by ectomorph

I have been trying to get my rear traps bigger for 10 years now and they are still tiny. I looked into synthrol and that for the most part is just oil. I was wondering if there are too many nerves in you back to injet an oil based AAS to promote site enhancement. I have tried every exersize and nothing works. I am just negitive on the genes back there. Let me know as I am scared there are going to be too many veins/nerves back there to stick anything. thanks in advance ECTO :hmmm:

use some heavy shrugs. they will grow.

[barbender]

this is a good site for this kind of stuff. www.spotinjections.com. Good luck bro. BB

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by ectomorph

I was wondering if there are too many nerves in you back to injet an oil based AAS to promote site enhancement.

Won't happen.

[Gort]

Originally Posted by ectomorph

The part I am refering to is the middle part of the trap that you can only see if you were looking at someones back.

Mid Traps

Again, wide grip rows - pull to your mid chest and retract your scapula.
This rules out the cable row handle and usually the T-bar. Best bet is heavy bent barbell rows with hands over shoulder width and pull to the chest.

[coffee-guy]

Originally Posted by ectomorph

I train traps on back day, when doing back I do all my pull movements in the same day. I will go ahead and give it a shot, literaly. lol Thanks for your help and I will keep you posted. Ecto

Try these first - they are not common excercises and may shock the area you are referring to into growth.

1. http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/exerc...cakeshrugs.htm

2. I had a link for this one but I can't find it - it goes like this...

Place an incline bench in the 45 degree angle setting. Lying face down on the bench, perform shrugs with "heavy" dumbells, contracting the shoulder blades together as tightly as possible. This excercise has a very limited range of motion but it hits a group of muscles that are rarely focused on and really improves mid-trap definition.

[house1]

heavy balls out shrugs will make them grow -- as for site enhancement with gear imo is a waste of time

[bigfish]

Db shrugs is what i did most of my life and i hate that their so big now. Also seated front shoulder raises really high like straight up and you'll really feel it. If that doesn't work power cleans. You'll look like a ninja turtle. I personally don't believe in doing weight so heavy struggling to get a full shrug, if you can't go all the way too heavy. I never heard any one else believe this but squats (imo) make them grow too. Just having weight on your back-trap area you have to adapt and grow so you can support the heavier weight. Try it out.

[bigfish]

Db shrugs is what i did most of my life and i hate that their so big now. Also seated front shoulder raises really high like straight up and you'll really feel it. If that doesn't work power cleans. You'll look like a ninja turtle. I personally don't believe in doing weight so heavy struggling to get a full shrug, if you can't go all the way too heavy. I never heard any one else believe this but squats (imo) make them grow too. Just having weight on your back-trap area you have to adapt and grow so you can support the heavier weight. it's also a proven fact that muscles you work out on the same day as squats and other testereone releasing (don't know if this will do any good if you're on cycle) that body part will grow immensely.

[The REAL Big A]

Site injecting gear won't work like SEO's because the gear will simply dissipate way too quickly before the fascia will be stretched. Plus you will get huge amounts of inflamation from the gear, which is not good.

On muscletalk.co.uk there is a guy that used Syntherol extensively in his traps. I forgot his name, but if you go to the Testosterone forum and look in the Sticky called Synthetek Products (they are a sponsor here too) you will see him posting and sharing his experiences.

If you want to do site enhancement properly, you have to do things right!

Here's my article on how to use SEO's properly:
---------------------------------------------


The most popular now are Synthol/PumpnPose, Syntherol, EsikClean, Nuclear Nutrition Site Oil and Liquid Muscle.

Synthol/PumpnPose is the original product. As such, it charges a lot of money and it's the most expensive variant as it relies on it's name to sell it - the cheapest found is $149.95. There must be a lot of fakes out there since the inventor of it, Chris Clark, charges a wholesale price of over $100 per bottle (and that's for large quantity), so there's no way that some outfits can retail it for $100. The only official distributor for PnP is www.meso-morph.com

Syntherol is my favourite simply because is the only one that I know of that is made by a real pharmaceutical company, so guaranteed sterile, plus it hurts less and the results seem to be better - don't take my word for it, ask around! It's the same formula as Synthol/PumpnPose, with added silica, which is a safe way to make the gains more 'permanent'. It's also the number 1 best selling Site Oil in the world, so they must be doing something right! And Synthetek (the maker of Syntherol) is the only company to offer a double money back guarantee and they never had any complaints from any customer from anywhere in the world! By far my choice, plus, it's cheap - $129.95. www.synthetek.com

EsikClean - same formula as Synthol, but it has colagen added. That makes it a very bad choice to use in my opinion. When you use site oils, the biggest problem is the formation of scar tissue. You don't want any scar tissue build up when you use site oils. Scar tissue is colagen buildup due to the trauma caused to the muscle by sticking a needle in there. As such, I would not help the build up of scar tissue in the muscle by injecting colagen. So, that's a bad choice. $100 per bottle www.synthol-direct.com Plus these are the people that counterfited Chris Clark's PnP and Synthetek's Syntherol, so one wonders how 'genuine' they are. Their associated websites are www.synthol.com, www.finalabs.com, www.zoelabs.com, www.pumpnpose.com I strongly recommend that people stay away from them!

Nuclear Nutrition Oil - is a very good product, which works quite well. It's exactly as Syntherol, plus the addition of a small amount of prohormones. I am not a big fan of prohormones due to the reason that they will give you more side effects than benefits. Also, because of the prohormones, you cannot import it into countries like Canada or Australia, where prohormones are illegal. Still a good product - $149.95 www.nuclearnutrition.com

Liquid Muscle - same as PumpnPose, but at $199.95 per bottle. However, I can't find too much about it and about who makes it, as it seems as a small outfit and as such I have trouble trusting it 100%, especially when I am supposed to inject their stuff into MY body. www.liquidmuscle.com

There's a few other brands, but the above are the most well known. The other brands available, I personally would not trust since they come from very small outfits, so you don't know whether they are sterile or just mixed together in somebody's 'bathtub'.

Site oils can be used for two purposes - to increase the size of a muscle or to shape a muscle.

To increase size, lets use the biceps for example. You need to inject in EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the shots daily within that head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to your natural look/shape of the muscle. The quickest way to get a muscle up to maximum size is to do the following regimen: 1ml for 10 days in each head of the muscle. 2ml for 10 days. 3ml for 10 days. If you do both, the biceps and triceps simultaneously, you can add up to 3" on your arms in those 30 days.
Now, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!: you HAVE to massage the area that you just injected SEVERELLY! You have to make sure that there's no lump forming. The muscle should always be soft. You should NEVER have a lump. It is also a good idea, to inject just before going to the gym, so as soon as you get to the gym, you should do a couple light weight, high reps sets for that muscle, to get the blood moving. This again will minimise lump formation. You have to keep in mind, that as soon as lumps form because you did not massage, scar tissue will form as well. You want to avoid scar tissue at all costs. Also, to minimise scar tissue build up, use VERY small needles, like 25g or 26g, inch or 1inch long (depending on the injection site) and inject VERY slowly. If you find that you cannot keep with the lump build up, but you are due for another shot, wait until, by massaging, the lump goes away (it should not be more than a couple of days) and then resume from where you left off.

If you have all the size you wish and just want to shape the muscle, as adding a peak on the biceps, then inject the spot, in the peak of the muscle, with 1ml every day or every second day until you obtain the peak that you desire.

What I recommend to people that are just starting out using these oils is to use 1ml per head of muscle per day, or every second day, for a week or so and see how they react to it. That way they can judge how many ml they can use per muscle head and how often.

Where to inject - BICEPS - inner and outer head. You can feel the `split' in between the two heads of the biceps when you feel with your other hand. Inject on each side of that. If you want to increase the length/thickness of the bicep, inject more in the inner head (closer to your body). If you want to increase the peak, inject more in the outer head.

TRICEPS - You don't need to inject in the outer/horseshoe head, unless it is really lacking behind. You inject in the middle and rear heads of the triceps. Generally, at the back of your arm, the upper portion is the rear head and the lower portion is the middle head, as the two heads overlap each other somewhat.

DELTOIDS - just inject straight into whatever head is lacking in size.

CALVES - Natural calves, no matter how big the are, have a `flat' look to the muscle. So you want to keep that look, you don't want to have your calves looking round like someone stuck an air hose in there. So, you inject in multiple shots, on the outside edges of the muscle. That will make the calf go outwards, while keeping the flat, natural look.

QUADS - With muscles this large, you need to do multiple daily injections. Where in the biceps you use 1ml per head per day to begin with, on quads you need to start with 1ml per site, 7 sites per quad. That is to avoid the `lumpy' look and keep the quad uniform. Again, to keep the natural look of the thigh, you should inject in the `peak' of the outer quad, injecting along the crest. If the teardrop is lacking, then just inject straight into it, rotating sites daily. I personally don't recommend quad shots, especially teardrop, due to the very high amount of nerves in the area.

I strongly recommend that you get some anatomy charts and study the muscles and the nerves that are in the area that you want to inject.

How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.

Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them. I currently put all my Sustanon in my biceps and I get no pain what so ever because the biceps are used with having stuff injected in them.


Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world, like Greg Valentino. Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------