2nd cycle

[riddick_250cc]

this is my second cycle.
my first one was 6 weeks of cyp.250 and Anadrol 50.
I know my first cycle was a mistake because as you now using
a long ester in only 6 weeks is not logical.
I've researched alot but there are still some questions which I
can't handle.
This would be my second cycle:

week mg/week mg/day
------ ------------------------ ---------------------
1 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
2 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
3 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
4 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
5 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
6 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
7 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
8 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
9 Test-E/250 + Deca/100 Tam/10 + B-6/200
10 Test-E/100 + Deca/100 Tam/10 + B-6/200
11 Tam/20 + B-6/200
12 Tam/20 + B-6/200
13 Clomid/100 + Tam/20 +B-6/200
14 Clomid/50 + Tam/20 + B-6/200
15 Clomid/50 + Tam/20 + B-6/200


- Q1 - What do you think about dosage of Tamoxifen and clomid?

- Q2 - I konw blocking all estrogen receptors by Tamoxifen will
reduce gains, if I take it during my cycle every day. But I'm not
sure I can find gyno symptoms ON TIME and then take Tamoxifen.
(some people say: "an ounce of precaution worths a ton of cure")

- Q3 - I've read some where that it's not a good idea to abruptly stop
using androgenic drugs in the last weeks of cycle. So I've reduced
my last shots of Test-En and Deca. Should I reduce them in more
than one week?

Besides dosages may seem too low to you cause I want to run a
mild cycle.
STATS: 6'0 180lbs 13%bf 24y/o
been in the game for 3 years.
my daily intake:
protein : 225
carb : 585
fat : 95
kcal ~ 3400

[Johnny Cage]

Double those doses!

dont double if u still grow from the doses...Johnny not good advice... also don't run the tamoxifen until u need it, the estrogen will help the growth process so don't block too much of it out. bump the protein up more too... another 100g atleast also I always liked having my test higher than my stacked compound dont' worry bout taperin down thats a mild cycle so run it normally

K

wk 1-10 test e 350mgs
wk 1-10 nan dec 250mgs
nolva when needed
wk 12 start pct and when pct day 1 at 300mg then run like u have it

K

[Skyefire]

Originally Posted by riddick_250cc

this is my second cycle.
my first one was 6 weeks of cyp.250 and Anadrol 50.
I know my first cycle was a mistake because as you now using
a long ester in only 6 weeks is not logical.
I've researched alot but there are still some questions which I
can't handle.
This would be my second cycle:

week mg/week mg/day
------ ------------------------ ---------------------
1 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
2 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
3 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
4 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
5 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
6 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
7 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
8 Test-E/250 + Deca/200 Tam/10 + B-6/200
9 Test-E/250 + Deca/100 Tam/10 + B-6/200
10 Test-E/100 + Deca/100 Tam/10 + B-6/200
11 Tam/20 + B-6/200
12 Tam/20 + B-6/200
13 Clomid/100 + Tam/20 +B-6/200
14 Clomid/50 + Tam/20 + B-6/200
15 Clomid/50 + Tam/20 + B-6/200


- Q1 - What do you think about dosage of Tamoxifen and clomid?

- Q2 - I konw blocking all estrogen receptors by Tamoxifen will
reduce gains, if I take it during my cycle every day. But I'm not
sure I can find gyno symptoms ON TIME and then take Tamoxifen.
(some people say: "an ounce of precaution worths a ton of cure")

- Q3 - I've read some where that it's not a good idea to abruptly stop
using androgenic drugs in the last weeks of cycle. So I've reduced
my last shots of Test-En and Deca. Should I reduce them in more
than one week?

Besides dosages may seem too low to you cause I want to run a
mild cycle.
STATS: 6'0 180lbs 13%bf 24y/o
been in the game for 3 years.
my daily intake:
protein : 225
carb : 585
fat : 95
kcal ~ 3400

well at 180 those dosage should work but they are on the low end. the deca however is a waste. it takes about 6 weeks to kick in and your only running it for 8. ether lengthen the cycle or front load the deca (3 times the weekly dose the first week) There is no need to taper the dosages down as the long esters are self tapering. (tapering is not improtant nowdays as we have good PCT options, tapering was only important back when you wanted to avoid crashing after a cycle. ) clomid is not the first choice for PCTas the sides are worse then nolvadex and it is not as effective anyway.

The nolvadex is fine, I always run it with a cycle if for no other reason then its benifets to your lipid profile. and an ounce of pervention is worth a pound of cure. but at your doses I would not be to concerned about gyno.

do go ahead and run your test 1 week longer then the deca

I don't have a problem with a mild cycle but I do perfer them to longer then a normal one to take advantage of thigns

[ROCKETW19]

id run it 12 weeks with the test just a bit higher and in another half cc to bring the test to 375 a week. cut the deca at week 11 or run the test 13 weeks either way deca takes longer to clear so account for that. no need for nolva unless gyno pops up witch i dont think it will(have just in case) PCT i wait 3 weeks to start most wait 2 either way run it nolva/clomid 40mgs ed/100mgs ed for 2 weeks then 20mgs ed/50mgs ed.
1-12 test E 375mgs a week
1-11 deca 200mgs a week
15-16 40/100 a day
17-18 20/50 a day
thats just me.

[riddick_250cc]

thanks every body
the thing is i am not sure i can find gyno symptoms right on time
cause i haven't ever used tamox.
please help me on this...

[Skyefire]

Originally Posted by riddick_250cc

thanks every body
the thing is i am not sure i can find gyno symptoms right on time
cause i haven't ever used tamox.
please help me on this...

not sure what your asking. for the cycle just run 10mg a day or 20mg eod. For PCT run 40mg for 2 weeks then 20mg for another 2 weeks.

[riddick_250cc]

ok 10 mg ED
thanks

[fog_hat1981]

Bouncer - check out CF. This fucker was banned here once upon a time and was known as "Programmer."

http://www.chemicalfitness.com/forum...ead.php?t=6641

[Shibby]

Thanks for the heads up. Lets see what he has to say and will take it from there.

[riddick_250cc]

ok i am programmer
i'm just asking questions here cause i want to learn.and i really appreciate those people who answers my questions and i do research my self pretty well (you can tell it if you see my questions here) .so what the hell is going on? you call me a FUCKER cause i just asked the same question simultanously in chemical fitness?
that's not bad .i just wnated to hear more opinions then decide!!!
well 10 persons think better than 2 persons.
so if you want to ban me for this reason do it, but i will continue asking and doing my researches with another username.
if there is another reason which you you call me fucker because of it just tell me.

[fog_hat1981]

Read my post in CF and you'll see why I think you are a tool...

You are only listening to what you want to hear as it is already. You keep saying that you want to learn etc and while I realize that you have been doing some "homework" it is obvious that you are not ready. You are 6' tall, 23 years old and you weigh 180 pounds at 13%-14% bf. You have years to prepare for steroid use by adjusting your diet etc but to paraphrase what Skyefire stated in one of his posts "I suppose it's useless to tell you this as you only hear what you want."