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[Jeterny02]

First time posting on board...been a member for a while now,really enjoy these forums here..I am usually on here everynight..Wanted to get the feel of things before I just started posting ( Have seen several people make mistakes ) Wanted to get some direct opinions about a cycle I am planning to run in about three weeks...
Stats: 5-8, 168 lb, 29yr old male....been seriously lifting for about four years now
taking in about 3500 calories a day with about 170 grams of protein per day...
Workout schedule rotates but always have at least two days off a week...with the week always beginning with a strong leg workout
Also used Milk thistle, Glucosamine Chondroitin, fish oils, and a multi- vitamine. This will be my second cycle...first cycle I ran Test E 350 and cyp 250 for 12 weeks dosages were:
FIRST CYCLE
Also used Milk thistle, Glucosamine Chondroitin, fish oils, and a multi- vitamine
FIRST CYCLE
Wk 1 Test E 1cc
Wk 2 Test E 1cc
Wk 3 Test E 2 cc
Wk 4 Test E 2 cc
Wk 5 Test E 2 cc
wk 6 Test 2 cc
Wk 7 Test Cyp 3 cc
Wk 8 Test Cyp 3 cc
Wk 9 Test Cyp 2.5 cc
Wk 10 Test Cyp 2 cc
Began Pct 2 weeks after last shot
Nova 40 mg/day for first two weeks
Nova 20 mg/day for two more weeks

I have options to run for this cylce...
T400 Blended like this( Prop 25mg, E 188 mg, C 187 mg)
D-bol 25mg and 10 mg pill form
Test Cyp 250
Test E 350
Nova ( Superior Research Thanks)

Thinkin of running a twelve week cycle of Test 400 each week with the D-bol in the front along with the Test 400 for six weeks at 35mg a day. Heard that the Test 400 is really rough on some people and I only have about 20 cc of it though...Have plenty of the Test E and Test C..Would appreciate any comments or sugestions..Dosages?

dont go by cc's go by mg's

K

[Jeterny02]

ok..no sugestions on cycle though?

its easier for me too things in mg like 500mg wk and so on, and trust me everyone does it like that

K

[Jeterny02]

I know but the cc's are for the first cycle I ran.....I did not put an amount for this cycle I was looking for suggestions....based on what I had...

[Shibby]

Do you know what you did wrong your first cycle? Why did you switch from test enan to cyp? Why did you ramp it up and down? Lastly what kind of results did you get from the first cycle? I would personally stay away from the T400.

[Jeterny02]

I was told that you should pyramid your cycle......especially towards the end...( going down)...I gained about 15 pounds....I used the two because there is no real diff between them other than the amount per mg...I have seen several post on here suppoting that..

[Jeterny02]

Why do u say stay away from the t-400?..I have seen sveral people get good results from it...

[Shibby]

Pyramiding is old school practices and dosn't need to be used when running a long ester test. You would need to inject the T-400 eod to take advantage of the prop.

[ROCKETW19]

T-400 hurts like a bitch from what im told and like shibby said you need to shoot EOD at least ED would be even better. so why go through the trouble when you can just use test E straight threw shotting 2 times a week even one time if wanted. no need to ramp up and down either.

[Jeterny02]

Cool thanks

[spidey]

You should have gained more than 15 lbs from your first cycle. Most people gain 20 to 25 lbs on the first one. I gained 35 lbs on my first one. Did you keep any of it? How long ago was it?

your diet needs some work. For starters, you need more protein, 300 g ed. You can decrease the fat a bit if you like. 3500 cals isn't too bad for your size but if you can manage more, do it.

I would always recommend R-ALA (600 mg ed minimum) for anyone looking to bulk or cut. It helps manage carbohydrates and also attenuates the liver toxicity from the dbol. It's a win/win supplement. You also need to take biotin with the R-ALA because R-ALA inhibits the natural synthesis of biotin in you body. No biggie though, biotin is dirt cheap from wallmart at maybe a buck fifty a bottle.

As for a cycle, keep it simple. There is no need for the pyramid scheme in dosing. It really doesn't make any sense to take multiple forms of test (test is test). What is referred to as t-400 is usually 400 mg/mL of testosterone suspension (no ester) and, from all accounts, is roughly equivalent to getting drop-kicked by god. If you can walk around with a mL of that stuff in your quad without screaming every time your foot hits the ground, go for it. I would stick (no pun intended) with a single ester test (prop, enan, or cyp) at sane dosages of 500 or 600 mg per week. If you choose a longer chain ester, you can frontload by shooting double the normal weekly dose the first week and then continuing as normal. This will get your blood levels up quickly so you can get more efficient use out of your cycle time. This isn't neccessary if you choose prop with it's shorter half life. Prop does seem to hurt a little more but, hell, if you were going with t-400, prop should be a cake-walk.

It would also be a good idea to shoot 250 IU HCG eod throughout your cycle. It makes much more sense to keep the horses in the barn, so to speak, then to worry about catching them and putting them back in the barn after the fact. 250 IU HCG will keep you from getting shut down in the first place and will make your recovery from the cycle infinitely easier. Continue the HCG right up through the last shot and until you start "PCT". You will also need to be taking 20 mg ed nolva as without it, the combination of estrogen from aromatizing test and the HCG itself, gyno may be a possibility. When you start PCT, stop the HCG and continue taking nolva at 20 mg ed for two weeks and you should be golden.

[Jeterny02]

Great Post Spidey thanks for your time....This cycle ran from last Feb to May including PCT ...I originally gained 22 lbs but even with the Nova I still lost 7 of it and lost a little strength too.but was very satisfied..( I am a Hard Gainer ) .I ran the Nova at 40mg/day for two weeks then 20mg/day for two more.....With the T-400 do you think two shots a week maybe one Sunday and one Wed....I was thinkin of runnin the D-bol for six weeks at the front at 35 mg a day...dont have access to the HCG any suggestion for a replacement?

[spidey]

Dbol is good. Take the R-ALA though to protect your liver. Your first cycle seemed reasonably well planned. If your diet had been better, I think you would have seen significantly better results.

Unfortunately, there is no real alternative to HCG. If you can't get any, you will have to deal with getting shut down and then recovering with PCT. Not optimal but you deal with what you have.

What you are calling t-400....Is that the 400 mg/mL test suspension or is it some mixture of test esters? Is this the mixture you mentioned in the initial post with prop, enan, and cyp all blended together? If so, two shots per week separated by 3 to 4 days is fine. If it is true T-400, test suspension should be shot ed due to it's short halflife.

[Jeterny02]

Thanks for the advice on the R-ALA ( Went and ordered some from the sponser ) How much Biotin do you suggest to supplement with the R-ALA, because my Multi Vitamin has 300 mcg already? Yeah the T-400 is composed of this ( Prop 25mg, E 188 mg, Cyp 187 mg) per ml. I was thinkin two shots one on Sunday the other on Wed....What dosage do you think I should run...? Would it hurt to mix with some Test-E or Test-Cyp? ...I was thinkin 300 mg T-400 mixed with 100 mg of the Test Cyp per shot?

[spidey]

Again, test is test. It really doesn't matter if you mix in test cyp; it's the same thing. A good dose would be 500 mg to 600 mg ew total test. You should take 1000 mcg biotin for every 200 mg R-ALA.