New design for me...let me know what you think

[ryno45]

So I have been a troll for a while around here and have finally decided to seek a different perspective on designing my next go around. My previous experience has been 2 cycles with both lasting 8 weeks. I have chosen to use 8 week cycles due to the fact that around the 8th week my joints flare up bad and in turn I start losing the interest of training heavy. At that point I feel my body and mind (CNS) would be better served with a break. I did happen to find a lot of info about short cycles on here and the long post that had been copied from other boards and posted which I found to be a great read. I am hoping somebody might be able to take a quick look and offer up any advice. The cycle design I have wanted to use comes from the advice that TS (RIP) used to promote and seems to make sense in whole. The theory is similar to many short cycle theories. The use of long acting esters are stopped 3 weeks prior to the end of the cycle while short acting are introduced in order for the smallest amount of time to between the end of the cycle and the beginning of PCT. Although the length is on the long side as 6 weeks was generally recommended. Anyways here is what I am thinking. Nolva will be on hand just in case I start to feel the early signs of gyno.


Bulk
Weeks 1-5
Enan: 750 mg
Tren: 100 mg EOD
DB: 60 mg ED

Weeks 6-8
Prop: 200 mg EOD
Tren: 100 mg EOD
AD-50: 100 mg ED

Pheedno’s PCT
Day 1-30
.25mg L-dex
100mg Clomid (First Day 300mg)
20mg Nolva


Followed directly by an 8 week cutting although different design in use

Cutting
Weeks 1-8
Tren: 400 mg
Prop: 400 mg
AD-50: 50 mg ED
Winny: 100 mg ED
Anavar: 25 mg ED

Clen and ECA: Cycled 2 weeks on/2 weeks off

Pheedno’s PCT
Day 1-30
.25mg L-dex
100mg Clomid (First Day 300mg)
20mg Nolva

Diet and Cardio:
For bulk I will be following a simple 321 (C/P/F) plan and then reorder my diet from where I end my bulking to follow PCT and continue directly into my cutting plan making adjustments as I see fit along the way. Cardio will start in the cutting phase with 20 min sessions 3x a week following the workout for first 2 weeks and continuing to increase from there to 4x’s a week etc.

Stats:
25 yrs old
6’2
245-247
14% BF

[ROCKETW19]

i personaly wouldnt have recovered in the pct phase to start again so soon so i would run it straight threw. and do pct after the cutting phase. also there are to many c17aa and to long either way with the 30 day pct or even worse if you went straight threw. id run the test E with out the prop in the first 8 weeks then switch over to the prop in the cuttin phase. also the tren is to long for me. no offence but there are to many thing i dont like about it but thats just my opinion it might work great for ya good luck.

[ROCKETW19]

id go somethin like this
1-10 test E 750mgs
1-16 EQ 500-600mgs
1-5 d-bol 50mgs
11-18 prop 150 eod
11-18 tren 100mgs eod
11-18 a-var 40mgs
1-18 proviron 50mgs ed
followed by pct of your choice.
remember this is just what id do. your might work 10 times better. im just tryin to give you other options and opinions

[Control]

Originally Posted by ryno45

So I have been a troll for a while around here and have finally decided to seek a different perspective on designing my next go around. My previous experience has been 2 cycles with both lasting 8 weeks. I have chosen to use 8 week cycles due to the fact that around the 8th week my joints flare up bad and in turn I start losing the interest of training heavy. At that point I feel my body and mind (CNS) would be better served with a break. I did happen to find a lot of info about short cycles on here and the long post that had been copied from other boards and posted which I found to be a great read. I am hoping somebody might be able to take a quick look and offer up any advice. The cycle design I have wanted to use comes from the advice that TS (RIP) used to promote and seems to make sense in whole. The theory is similar to many short cycle theories. The use of long acting esters are stopped 3 weeks prior to the end of the cycle while short acting are introduced in order for the smallest amount of time to between the end of the cycle and the beginning of PCT. Although the length is on the long side as 6 weeks was generally recommended. Anyways here is what I am thinking. Nolva will be on hand just in case I start to feel the early signs of gyno.


Bulk
Weeks 1-5
Enan: 750 mg
Tren: 100 mg EOD
DB: 60 mg ED

Weeks 6-8
Prop: 200 mg EOD
Tren: 100 mg EOD
AD-50: 100 mg ED

Pheedno’s PCT
Day 1-30
.25mg L-dex
100mg Clomid (First Day 300mg)
20mg Nolva


Followed directly by an 8 week cutting although different design in use

Cutting
Weeks 1-8
Tren: 400 mg
Prop: 400 mg
AD-50: 50 mg ED
Winny: 100 mg ED
Anavar: 25 mg ED

Clen and ECA: Cycled 2 weeks on/2 weeks off

Pheedno’s PCT
Day 1-30
.25mg L-dex
100mg Clomid (First Day 300mg)
20mg Nolva

Diet and Cardio:
For bulk I will be following a simple 321 (C/P/F) plan and then reorder my diet from where I end my bulking to follow PCT and continue directly into my cutting plan making adjustments as I see fit along the way. Cardio will start in the cutting phase with 20 min sessions 3x a week following the workout for first 2 weeks and continuing to increase from there to 4x’s a week etc.

Stats:
25 yrs old
6’2
245-247
14% BF

No HCG? Also, if your joints give you problems skip the winny. I only use winny pre-contest, other than that I don't see a use for it. The only steroids you need for cutting are prop and tren IMO, the rest is all diet and cardio. Also, why start off with enanthate and then switch to prop? If you're already injecting tren EOD you might as well just inject prop with the tren. Basically it looks to me like you've made this more complicated (and expensive) then it needs to be. Just run prop and tren, with the dbol at the front if you want. And add some HCG.

[ryno45]

I appreciate the info that everyone has offered. After thinking about my ideal goals I believe I will rework the design out and more than likely use the prop/tren formula including the dbol up front. I have never used HCG but will do a search and look through a lot of the information on the best way to include its use for PCT, whether that be throughout the duration, or the during the last few weeks leading up to the end of the cycle. Again I thank everyone that took the time to look through this post and offer up any suggestions that they might have.

[ROCKETW19]

ya i forgot about HCG i like it best during the cycle i use 250ius 2 times per week. a doctor has a post on here about that being the best way over the old PCT way.