Cycles w/ low androgenic side effects?

[kenk]

About to start up my 4th cycle. It's been roughly a year since my last and I have been going all natural since. I don't compete but i am looking to step it up again to add mass and cut w/ low androgenic side effects before spring. I had more sides w/ acne then ever on my last cycle of T-400, D-bol. This is what i'm thinking about this time:

Primobolan Depot (100 mg/ml) --(pd)
Deca (100 mg/ml) -- (de)
Winstrol (50 mg/ml) -- (wi)
HCG-- 5000 IU per injection

Week1 100mg pd
2 100mg pd 150mg de
3 150mg pd; 200mg de;
50mg wi 50mg wi
4 150mg pd; 200mg de; 50mg wi
50mg wi 50mg wi
5 200mg pd; 200mg de; 50mg wi
50mg wi 50mg wi
6 200mg pd; 50mg wi 200mg de; 50mg wi
50mg wi 50mg wi
7 150mg pd; 50mg wi 200mg de; 50mg wi
50mg wi 50mg wi
8 150mg pd; 150mg de; 50mg wi
50mg wi 50mg wi
9 150mg pd; 100mg de; 50mg wi
50mg wi 50mg wi
10 100mg pd; 50mg de;
50mg wi 50mg wi
11 5000 IU HCG
12 5000 IU HCG

Let me know if you would change or add anything, thanks bros.

[rado]

Why are you tapering your doses and why are you not taking the hcg from the start?


Honestly, I think your cycle needs to be done over.

[Skyefire]

drop the winny, run 600mg of deca a week and the same at least of primo with 250iu HCG 3 times a week for the length of the cycle, (no less then 12 weeks pref 16). keep some proviron on hand in case the primo is not enough to conter the deca dick problems.

[bowbow]

You drop a 5000iu shot of hcg your asking for trouble.

[kenk]

Originally Posted by Skyefire

drop the winny, run 600mg of deca a week and the same at least of primo with 250iu HCG 3 times a week for the length of the cycle, (no less then 12 weeks pref 16). keep some proviron on hand in case the primo is not enough to conter the deca dick problems.

It will be a 12 week cycle but why HCG 3x's a week...was going to use that as pct. Also, a tapered cycle always works well for me.

[Nekrawulf]

HCG throughout the cycle with help prevent testicular atrophy and will speed recovery of HPTA post cycle.

[kenk]

I realize that the use of HCG throughout the cycle will counteract testicular atrophy, but the purpose of this cycle is for "low androgenic sides"...HCG every week would defeat this purpose b/c it is highly androgenic. So, if atrophy became a problem during cycle could I start administering HCG...if not, will HCG at the end of cycle for pct suffice?

[Skyefire]

Originally Posted by kenk

I realize that the use of HCG throughout the cycle will counteract testicular atrophy, but the purpose of this cycle is for "low androgenic sides"...HCG every week would defeat this purpose b/c it is highly androgenic. So, if atrophy became a problem during cycle could I start administering HCG...if not, will HCG at the end of cycle for pct suffice?

think about what you just wrote, at any rate your talking about 250iu 3 times a week as opposed to 5000iu in a shot. bowbow is right. that can actually damage things. do a search on swales

[kenk]

i see what you're saying skyefire, thanks. So should i still run clomid after for pct?

[Skyefire]

Originally Posted by kenk

i see what you're saying skyefire, thanks. So should i still run clomid after for pct?

nolvadex, works better and has fewer sides affects. and you don't have to have "that time of the month" with nolvadex