First cycle at age 47...

[oldnatural59]

Actually, i'll be 48 in 2 months...anyway, i'm an old timer bodybuilder, started back in my early 20's, accumulated some injuries, stop lifting for many years, always natural, i.e., no pharmaceuticals.

Q: in the vein of my injuries: i started lifting again about 5 months ago...it's been slow going, but i have made significant gains (muscle), and losses (fat). I'm currently 6' tall, 190 lbs., and guestimate my body fat to be no more than 10%.

I have a moderate amount of pain in my shoulders (both, one of which was dislocated about 12 years ago), and some in my left elbow (seems 2b some type of calcium deposit). Since i'm not concerned about competition or anything of that nature anymore, just want to look and feel better, i've been looking into the possibility of doing a cycle (6-12wks) of Nandrolone Decanoate (Decabol/Deca Durabolin) with the interest of perhaps healing some of my old injuries, and a side benefit of building some addtional lean mass.

I've read that Deca is good for joint injuries, soothing the pain while on it, and in some cases causing permanent healing. Is this true..?

Is my plan ill-advised..? If not, what do u recommend, concerning dosage, etc. I've never injected anything, so i don't know where 2 start, where 2 inject, how much, how long, etc.

Also, the supplier seems 2 b an issue. I've googled British Dragon, and they seem reputable, but have gotten some bad reviews (pain at injection site, etc.) on this site. Any suggestions on where and what 2 buy would also b appreciated.

If giving advice on what 2 use, in what dosage, and how long, please, keep in mind that i want 2 err on the side of conservative dosages, and my main goal is not muscle gain, but joint reparation. Because i was once quite muscular, i can still make significant (relatively speaking) muscle gains, even at my age, naturally. I guess, Arnold was right about the muscle having memory.


Thanks. Any advice is greatly appreciated.


-jaems

[rado]

Originally Posted by oldnatural59

Actually, i'll be 48 in 2 months...anyway, i'm an old timer bodybuilder, started back in my early 20's, accumulated some injuries, stop lifting for many years, always natural, i.e., no pharmaceuticals.

Q: in the vein of my injuries: i started lifting again about 5 months ago...it's been slow going, but i have made significant gains (muscle), and losses (fat). I'm currently 6' tall, 190 lbs., and guestimate my body fat to be no more than 10%.

I have a moderate amount of pain in my shoulders (both, one of which was dislocated about 12 years ago), and some in my left elbow (seems 2b some type of calcium deposit). Since i'm not concerned about competition or anything of that nature anymore, just want to look and feel better, i've been looking into the possibility of doing a cycle (6-12wks) of Nandrolone Decanoate (Decabol/Deca Durabolin) with the interest of perhaps healing some of my old injuries, and a side benefit of building some addtional lean mass.

I've read that Deca is good for joint injuries, soothing the pain while on it, and in some cases causing permanent healing. Is this true..?

Is my plan ill-advised..? If not, what do u recommend, concerning dosage, etc. I've never injected anything, so i don't know where 2 start, where 2 inject, how much, how long, etc.

Also, the supplier seems 2 b an issue. I've googled British Dragon, and they seem reputable, but have gotten some bad reviews (pain at injection site, etc.) on this site. Any suggestions on where and what 2 buy would also b appreciated.

If giving advice on what 2 use, in what dosage, and how long, please, keep in mind that i want 2 err on the side of conservative dosages, and my main goal is not muscle gain, but joint reparation. Because i was once quite muscular, i can still make significant (relatively speaking) muscle gains, even at my age, naturally. I guess, Arnold was right about the muscle having memory.


Thanks. Any advice is greatly appreciated.


-jaems

Well BD is a great one for sure...At your age what I would do 1st is get a full blood panel done to make sure you're fine...If you check out well, then I would do a deca(for joints)and some enanthate/cypionate cycle at a low dose...The reason I say for the blood work(other than the obvious) is to see if your natural test and free test levels are lower than they should be(which they probably are).

If you have insurance, maybe go on some HRT, that would help...If no insurance, then a cycle like mentioned above would be good...Also have your PCT/HCG together...I would say only do a deca since all you want is recovery of joints...But it may shut you down, but then again I don't know if you do a low dose of deca, would it be harmful.

[oldnatural59]

Hey, Rado..!

Thanks 4 your input...although, i don't know what half the thing u r refering to mean...sorry..!

Most especially, what does this mean: "I would say only do a deca since all you want is recovery of joints...But it may shut you down, but then again I don't know if you do a low dose of deca, would it be harmful."

Shut me down..?

Thanks, again.


-jaems

[ROCKETW19]

i didnt read the whole post just the last part. im very tired. but for joints research "aluftops" i will read the whole thing tonight.

[oldnatural59]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

i didnt read the whole post just the last part. im very tired. but for joints research "aluftops" i will read the whole thing tonight.

Hey, ROCKETW19..!

Thanks for responding, but i can't find any info on 'aluftops.' I searched this forum, google, and yahoo with no success...


-jaems

[FitnessBrat]

Originally Posted by oldnatural59

Hey, ROCKETW19..!

Thanks for responding, but i can't find any info on 'aluftops.' I searched this forum, google, and yahoo with no success...


-jaems

Aflutops....

[oldnatural59]

FitnessBratt..!

Thanks for the clarification. Googled and found mixed results/hardly conclusive. Hopefully, the Deca will solve my problems. I'll have 2 wait and see. In my right shoulder, the problem is somewhat related to supportive tissue/musculature. As i said, i dislocated this joint in the past, and really need to build up the small stabilization muscles around the joint. This has worked in the past. The left shoulder is another story...AC strain. Don't know if Deca will fix this, but it should be regenerative at the very least. My elbow, well, too many lying tricep extensions over the years, i suppose. I actually have some type of growth/formation on the end of the bone, calcium deposit, i'm guessing, which rubs/irritates the tendon. Don't suppose Deca will help this, but limited ROM exercises are an acceptable workaround. Like i said, i'm not trying to set the world on fire, just get back in decent shape.

thanks for your input.


-jaems

[ROCKETW19]

ok read the whole thread aflutops(or how ever you spell it) wont work you have injurys witch would be perfect for HGH especially at your age. if you dont know about GH research it i think you will agree with me. also on your original post you ask where to get steroids we dont give info out like that here nor do we talk about sources. we are just education. if someone PMs you sayin they can hook you up dont belive them they are probably scammers.

[oldnatural59]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

ok read the whole thread aflutops(or how ever you spell it) wont work you have injurys witch would be perfect for HGH especially at your age. if you dont know about GH research it i think you will agree with me. also on your original post you ask where to get steroids we dont give info out like that here nor do we talk about sources. we are just education. if someone PMs you sayin they can hook you up dont belive them they are probably scammers.

ok, thanks, again, for the input, and for the heads up...

[oldnatural59]

ok, so can anyone chime in on this injection thing, like:


1. when/how often to inject?
2. how long to inject/cycle length?
3. where to inject/injection site(s)?
4. how much to inject?
5. what to inject with/needle size, length, etc.
6. what precautions to take/what pitfalls to look out for?
7. anything not covered in the above...

my current plans: 6 week cycle of Deca, depending on results, no more than 12 weeks, starting with 200mg per week, depending on results, increasing to no more than 400mg per week, increasing from present 3x per week workouts to 5x per week, depending on results, and greatly increasing caloric/protein intake throughout entire cycle, and making sure i'm taking the proper supplements, along with stuff like glucosamine, calcium, magnesium, and those recommended for healthy joints.


thanks for any additonal feedback.



-jaems

[trip]

old,

lol, same story, same stats, same age, cept i took the plunge in 03 after two years of reseach, i'm running late and just did a drive by, i'll stop in monday and answer questions

good luck

[oldnatural59]

Originally Posted by trip

old,

lol, same story, same stats, same age, cept i took the plunge in 03 after two years of reseach, i'm running late and just did a drive by, i'll stop in monday and answer questions

good luck

thanks..! i'll appreciate the insight, and will no doubt benefit from your experience. it sucks being old. seems everything hurts, and recovery time is double or triple what it once was.


-jaems

[bhcpp]

I would make sure you take some test along with the deca. You are sure to get deca dick without test. I get the deca dick even with test so therefore I don't like deca but prefer tren instead.

[oldnatural59]

Originally Posted by bhcpp

I would make sure you take some test along with the deca. You are sure to get deca dick without test. I get the deca dick even with test so therefore I don't like deca but prefer tren instead.

Thanks for the input...


pardon my ignorance, but what is deca dick, exactly..? i can imagine, and i heard about this in another thread, but don't know what it is (exactly). why would deca affect your dick, when it is reported to increase your sex drive/libido..? also, someone mentioned something about this only happening at lower dosages, around 200mg per week. is this true..?

moreover, what are TEST and TREN..? I have no clue...


thanks, again.


-jaems

[Alin]

Originally Posted by oldnatural59

Actually, i'll be 48 in 2 months...anyway, i'm an old timer bodybuilder, started back in my early 20's, accumulated some injuries, stop lifting for many years, always natural, i.e., no pharmaceuticals.

Q: in the vein of my injuries: i started lifting again about 5 months ago...it's been slow going, but i have made significant gains (muscle), and losses (fat). I'm currently 6' tall, 190 lbs., and guestimate my body fat to be no more than 10%.

I have a moderate amount of pain in my shoulders (both, one of which was dislocated about 12 years ago), and some in my left elbow (seems 2b some type of calcium deposit). Since i'm not concerned about competition or anything of that nature anymore, just want to look and feel better, i've been looking into the possibility of doing a cycle (6-12wks) of Nandrolone Decanoate (Decabol/Deca Durabolin) with the interest of perhaps healing some of my old injuries, and a side benefit of building some addtional lean mass.

I've read that Deca is good for joint injuries, soothing the pain while on it, and in some cases causing permanent healing. Is this true..?

Is my plan ill-advised..? If not, what do u recommend, concerning dosage, etc. I've never injected anything, so i don't know where 2 start, where 2 inject, how much, how long, etc.

Also, the supplier seems 2 b an issue. I've googled British Dragon, and they seem reputable, but have gotten some bad reviews (pain at injection site, etc.) on this site. Any suggestions on where and what 2 buy would also b appreciated.

If giving advice on what 2 use, in what dosage, and how long, please, keep in mind that i want 2 err on the side of conservative dosages, and my main goal is not muscle gain, but joint reparation. Because i was once quite muscular, i can still make significant (relatively speaking) muscle gains, even at my age, naturally. I guess, Arnold was right about the muscle having memory.


Thanks. Any advice is greatly appreciated.


-jaems

8-12WKS:
TEST E 500MG WK
DECA 400MG WK
0.25-0.50MG ARIMIDEX DAILY

[oldnatural59]

>8-12WKS:
>TEST E 500MG WK
>DECA 400MG WK
>0.25-0.50MG ARIMIDEX DAILY

Thanks for your input.

I have no idea what TEST E is, but the Deca intake sounds about right for someone of my body weight, from what i've read, i.e., 2mg per pound of body weight. I also know nothing about the last one, ARMIDEX, except what i read in the link. However, my understanding was that the risk of Gynecomastia (bitch tits) is very low with Deca. Moreover, if that prevents water retention, is the extra water what assists in lubricating aching joints..?

thanks, again.




-jaems

[hardy]

I have no idea what TEST E its TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by oldnatural59

>8-12WKS:
>TEST E 500MG WK
>DECA 400MG WK
>0.25-0.50MG ARIMIDEX DAILY

Thanks for your input.

I have no idea what TEST E is, but the Deca intake sounds about right for someone of my body weight, from what i've read, i.e., 2mg per pound of body weight. I also know nothing about the last one, ARMIDEX, except what i read in the link. However, my understanding was that the risk of Gynecomastia (bitch tits) is very low with Deca. Moreover, if that prevents water retention, is the extra water what assists in lubricating aching joints..?

thanks, again.




-jaems

bro in no way am i tryin to be a dick but you dont know shit about steroids! you should not be takin any of this stuff untill you spend some time here reading and reading and then reading some more. you will learn tons. you will also know whats best for you instead of us guessin whats best for you. before this cyber space stuff i read a book called anabolics 2002 it was great and i learned a ton. i belive there is a anabolics 2006 out you might also want to check out. it gives sample cycles and makes it easyer for you to look up things. instead of posting 15 questions.

[bhcpp]

Test is short for testosterone. You should always take some test whenever you use other steriods especially deca and tren. Tren is short for trenbolone acetate. This is a strong steroid similar to deca but in my opinion better for gains. Tren is supposed to give users fina dick which means you cannot get an erection for sex. Tren does not do this to me. I get really horny and (hard) with tren. Deca dick is the same thing.
Steriods effect everyone in a different way. You should read up as much as you can about anabolics before you take any of them. Also you need to know how to properly inject. PM me if you want more specifics.

[Mr incredible]

200mg deca per week for 10 weeks, thats it!

inject in your upper outer glute (ass cheek). Train 10-15 rep range

[oldnatural59]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

bro in no way am i tryin to be a dick but you dont know shit about steroids! you should not be takin any of this stuff untill you spend some time here reading and reading and then reading some more. you will learn tons. you will also know whats best for you instead of us guessin whats best for you. before this cyber space stuff i read a book called anabolics 2002 it was great and i learned a ton. i belive there is a anabolics 2006 out you might also want to check out. it gives sample cycles and makes it easyer for you to look up things. instead of posting 15 questions.

You are correct--i don't know anything about steriods, hence, my questions.

But I had read documentation about steriods, Deca in particular. I just wanted some feedback from those who have had real-life experience with these chemicals. What i've found is that enough information is contradictory that i have decide to not pursue their use at this time.

I do, however, appreciate everyone's input, without which, i could not have arrived at the above stated decision.


-jaems

p.s. i don't consider you a 'dick' and appreciate your candor.

[oldnatural59]

Originally Posted by Mr incredible

200mg deca per week for 10 weeks, thats it!

inject in your upper outer glute (ass cheek). Train 10-15 rep range

Thank you, for being specific. Sounds like a sensible dosage for someone with my goals.

And thank you, everyone who contributed to my steriod education. Appreciated..!


-jaems

[trip]

Well, let's see, I did TWO YEARS of research before i jumped on the bandwagon.

Now, the question has to be asked, WHY?

Here is the KISS answer.

A male in there teens or 20's messes with their system you got a very high probability like 90% or so of getting back to your natural test level.

Over the age of 40, well, you're playing russian roulete, you're going against the grain of what you're body wants to do naturally.

So, since i've been lifting since 18 I knew there was a high probability some day, i'd either or try or stay on HRT, hormone replacement therapy for the rest of my life, again this was all researced.

All the guys are talking about PCT, post cycle therapy. When you introduce steroids into the body, you're body shuts down making it's own testosterone, when you stop the steroids, a normal average male, takes other drugs to restimulate their own testosteronw production, HOPEFULLY. Some guys, especially older ones to not return to normal production.

DECA is the worst for it, that's why they call it DECA dick, you get strong as hell, but the bad part is it shuts you down hard, as opposed to most guys on test.

I did 3-4 cycles of reasonable doses and it was good, yet, in the long run, with blood work etc. I never regained my original test levels. Before I started I was 750 mg/dl, afterwards I was 450, that's doesnt' seem like much, yet, imagine running your car with tires that have half the pressure, it was very noticeable to me. I tried lotsa shit to get back to a high level, never did, and walla, now i'm prett much on hrt at 48

Again, note, this was all after alot of research.

And you gotta realize, it's always a last resort, training, proper eating, proper rest are always required, and since i've done that most all my adult life, this just keeps me where i want to be.

Yeah, do about 4 months of research, about 500-700 hours, this is the rest of your life and health, u only got one of em.

[oldnatural59]

Originally Posted by trip

Well, let's see, I did TWO YEARS of research before i jumped on the bandwagon.

Now, the question has to be asked, WHY?

Here is the KISS answer.

A male in there teens or 20's messes with their system you got a very high probability like 90% or so of getting back to your natural test level.

Over the age of 40, well, you're playing russian roulete, you're going against the grain of what you're body wants to do naturally.

So, since i've been lifting since 18 I knew there was a high probability some day, i'd either or try or stay on HRT, hormone replacement therapy for the rest of my life, again this was all researced.

All the guys are talking about PCT, post cycle therapy. When you introduce steroids into the body, you're body shuts down making it's own testosterone, when you stop the steroids, a normal average male, takes other drugs to restimulate their own testosteronw production, HOPEFULLY. Some guys, especially older ones to not return to normal production.

DECA is the worst for it, that's why they call it DECA dick, you get strong as hell, but the bad part is it shu