PCT matter

[kish]

hello everyone
As all you know winny wont suppress HPTA axis. so the user can have an appropriate level of endogenous Test.
Well if thats right, why not use a low dose of Winny in PCT where body goes to a catabolic state because of low endogenous test level?
Winny is anabolic so it combats catabolism.
I'd appreciate all of your opinions....

[ROCKETW19]

someone else told me that before but its wrong. any anabolic or androgenic steroid that is enough to build muscle will shut you down. if i remember correctly 20mgs per day will shut you down.

[beefcake]

Why wouldn't stanazolol suppress your endogenous test production? I can't see any reason why it wouldn't. Yea it's good for lowering shbg, but it will suppress you.

[Alin]

Originally Posted by beefcake

Why wouldn't stanazolol suppress your endogenous test production? I can't see any reason why it wouldn't. Yea it's good for lowering shbg, but it will suppress you.

I guarantee it will supress natural HPTA, I've seen blood tests that proved this.

[Nekrawulf]

troll post?

Winstrol will supress HTPA.

[Deacon]

it certainly does cause suppression - of course it is mild suppression - I dont know where that idea ever came from - especially using it for PCT

[kish]

blood work prove shuting down completely. thanks Alin
than you all

[Deacon]

blood work showed you were shut down completely?

what were the counts?

[Lmg2701]

Originally Posted by kish

hello everyone
As all you know winny wont suppress HPTA axis. so the user can have an appropriate level of endogenous Test.
Well if thats right, why not use a low dose of Winny in PCT where body goes to a catabolic state because of low endogenous test level?
Winny is anabolic so it combats catabolism.
I'd appreciate all of your opinions....

Where did you hear this? Whoever told you this is a complete moron. And also what were your levels?

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Deacon

it certainly does cause suppression - of course it is mild suppression - I dont know where that idea ever came from - especially using it for PCT

its not mild it has a strong influence on the HPTA. 10mgs for 14 days will shut you down 55% thats not mild at all.

[Lmg2701]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

its not mild it has a strong influence on the HPTA. 10mgs for 14 days will shut you down 55% thats not mild at all.

And still want to know where you got that info?

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Lmg2701

And still want to know where you got that info?

i know all and im not even a mod! :laughnew:

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

its not mild it has a strong influence on the HPTA. 10mgs for 14 days will shut you down 55% thats not mild at all.

I dont think so - post that one up bro because I aint buying it - no way is winnie that suppressive - and shut down is 100%

if you were correct and winnie caused this 55% effect it would be suppression not shut down

[Deacon]

just for the hell of it I just went back and reviewed about a dozen different profiles on winnie - each one said "minimal" suppression

oen even hinted that since winnie has some anti -e properties there most probably will not be suppression at all

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Deacon

I dont think so - post that one up bro because I aint buying it - no way is winnie that suppressive - and shut down is 100%

if you were correct and winnie caused this 55% effect it would be suppression not shut down

listen here bro you call it what you want suppression or shuting down its all the same thing.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Deacon

just for the hell of it I just went back and reviewed about a dozen different profiles on winnie - each one said "minimal" suppression

oen even hinted that since winnie has some anti -e properties there most probably will not be suppression at all

there is a difference between me and you, you have to look shit up i read and remember if its important to me. if its not important then i only remember what i want to. if you need to see my info go read a book called anabolics 2007 by mr llewellyn. if you want i can let you read one of mine i have them all from 2002-2007. but i must worn you no where in the book does it say tren and EQ are the same.

[Deacon]

ya well there is no explanation for idiocy

and since this board has your expert opinions it certainly does not need mine

I look stuff up to be sure I didnt miss anything from time to time
if you go on any large board with knowledgable people with experience you'll be laughed right off of it - you like to argue and play the drama queen - in fact you know little about steroid use and its pitiful how you argue pointlessly

reading is good but when you don't recognize what people with real world experience tell you your headed for trouble

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Deacon

and since this board has your expert opinions it certainly does not need mine

no dont leave (being serious) just cuzz i think you are stupid dosnt mean you should leave. besides who would i make fun of when they post something on one thread and a completly different thing on the next?

[Lmg2701]

Originally Posted by Deacon

if you go on any large board with knowledgable people with experience you'll be laughed right off of it -

Uncalled for bro and you know that. 30,000+ members is pretty large, at least I think so. I know your a member at a lot of boards and so am I. All this bickering is uncalled for, state your points, back up your info, and let it be. No reason to fight or leave the board over something like this. We're all here to help each other out and learn, that's what every board is centered around and we shouldn't forget that.

[fog_hat1981]

Originally Posted by Lmg2701

Uncalled for bro and you know that. 30,000+ members is pretty large, at least I think so. I know your a member at a lot of boards and so am I. All this bickering is uncalled for, state your points, back up your info, and let it be. No reason to fight or leave the board over something like this. We're all here to help each other out and learn, that's what every board is centered around and we shouldn't forget that.

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by Lmg2701

Uncalled for bro and you know that. 30,000+ members is pretty large, at least I think so. I know your a member at a lot of boards and so am I. All this bickering is uncalled for, state your points, back up your info, and let it be. No reason to fight or leave the board over something like this. We're all here to help each other out and learn, that's what every board is centered around and we shouldn't forget that.

if you are really here to help people dont allow this kind of misinformation to passed out then - what he is saying is incorrect and wrong it is not helpful in any way
and as far as him being laughed off a board I have seen it happen many times when people talk like that - the very fact he states 55% shut down shows this - no way you can assign a number like that - first of all everyone is different and while some shut down some merely suffer suppression while some show no signs of suppression from any given drug - and there is a distinct difference between suppression and shutdown - they are not the same thing
and Rocket wants to keep up this tren EQ issue - when he continued to argue at another board every member there told him he had read it wrong and tried to explain to him but he just likes to argue

It may not be a reason to leave a board by why should I stay where there is someone like that? This board has good members thats why I kept visiting.
And your also right I do belong to a lot of boards - and I know how they should be run and I know how their members should act. So when I say there has been alot of misinformation passed on here I know what I am talking about. Instead of being defensive look at what is going on around here.

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

no dont leave (being serious) just cuzz i think you are stupid dosnt mean you should leave. besides who would i make fun of when they post something on one thread and a completly different thing on the next?

here is a good example - this isnt pointing out facts or being helpful - its just being a dickhead

[THE BOUNCER]

rocket, you told me you would let this issue with deacon go bro. looks to me like you are looking for things to argue about.

For example, you guys are arguing the difference between shutdown and suppression. who the hell cares. the bottom line is that winny does have an effect on HPTA weather it is small or large. do we have studies on its effects? if not, it is all a guessing game no matter what profiles and books say.

let this stupid fucking shit go. we are all on the same team here.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

rocket, you told me you would let this issue with deacon go bro. looks to me like you are looking for things to argue about.

For example, you guys are arguing the difference between shutdown and suppression. who the hell cares. the bottom line is that winny does have an effect on HPTA weather it is small or large. do we have studies on its effects? if not, it is all a guessing game no matter what profiles and books say.

let this stupid fucking shit go. we are all on the same team here.

yes i did say i would let it go, but look at the post after i gave out the 55% shutdown statment. LMG asked where i got the info from like a normal person, deacon basicaly called me a liar and how stupid i am. of coarse im gonna throw a jab back.