AAS and supplements like Creatine

[NewbieChris]

There have been some instances where I read that some of the people on AAS claim to see very little gains if they are off AAS and on supplements only. This made me wonder; did you notice lack of gain while on supplements before you went to AAS or only after you moved to AAS did you notice this lack of results from supplements?

[redback]

your question is confusing the shit out of me, but i can tell you that supplements dont compare to any form of AS, is that what you mean? Maybe you can change the question

[NewbieChris]

Sorry for the confusion. I am having trouble thinking of the best way of wording the question. I have asked about supplements, like creatine etc., and gotten the response that they don't do anything. That they weren't worth the money. Basically that they are no better than natural diet and vitamins. This answer came from people on AS so, my question arose. Do people who take steroids think that before they went on steroids supplements were useless or is it simply a result of seeing the extra results of steroids? Like, think back to before you went on AS and what did you think of supplements like creatine then? Did you still think they were useless?

[THE BOUNCER]

LOL. Here is a simple answer to your riddle of a question. Creatine works, steroids work. Creatine works good by itself and it works good with steroids. The end.

[NewbieChris]

that was simple, i feel stupid now.

[Alin]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

There have been some instances where I read that some of the people on AAS claim to see very little gains if they are off AAS and on supplements only. This made me wonder; did you notice lack of gain while on supplements before you went to AAS or only after you moved to AAS did you notice this lack of results from supplements?

AFTER using gear,,i was able to determine the supplements that DID give effects. CREATINE, NO2,,,those have worked for me.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

that was simple, i feel stupid now.

not my intention. you have to admit your question was like a puzzle.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by Alin

AFTER using gear,,i was able to determine the supplements that DID give effects. CREATINE, NO2,,,those have worked for me.

that sucks these things dont work for me at all. i have tryed every damm silly way they make creatine and every type but nope nuttin for me.

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

not my intention. you have to admit your question was like a puzzle.

Oh, I know it wasn't your intention.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

that sucks these things dont work for me at all. i have tryed every damm silly way they make creatine and every type but nope nuttin for me.

you are a "non responder" to creatine. just think, there are people that hardly respond to weight training and steroids. imagine having those kind of genetics. lol

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

you are a "non responder" to creatine. just think, there are people that hardly respond to weight training and steroids. imagine having those kind of genetics. lol

if i didnt respond to weight training or gear i would jump off a bridge and see if i responded to death.lol

[fog_hat1981]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

if i didnt respond to weight training or gear i would jump off a bridge and see if i responded to death.lol

Damn - I hear ya bro...

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

if i didnt respond to weight training or gear i would jump off a bridge and see if i responded to death.lol

:laughnew: good shit.

[YellowJacket]

I dont know where I got this one.....been in my database for awhile so I'll post it.


All anabolic steriods are synthetic compounds whose structure is similar to that of the natural male sex horomone
testosterone. Testosterone affects development of the male body in two important ways: it has an anabolic effect-increased growth, expecially of muscular and skeletal tissue and an androgenic effect-increased development of mail sexual characteristics. Once taken into the bloodstream, anabolic steriods bind to hormone receptonrs on skeletal muscle and other cells and stimulate synthesis of certain specific enzymes. These enzymes promote two improtant biochemical reactions: creatine phoshate systesis and protein sythesis. Creatine phospate is a molecule that can be metabolized in the absense of sufficient oxygen as a shot-term source of energy. Increased creatine phospate synthesis thus allows athletes to train harders and for longer periods of time, and therefore build more muscle. Protien synthesis is essential for long-term development of increased muscle mass or "bulk". In addtion, anabolic steriods promote nitrogen retention by the body. By allowing for better utization of the nitrogen in ingested protein, anabolic steriods help athlets to build mass. However this effect is offset by the bodys homeostatic mechanisms, which are designed to maintain a stable environment: therefore in order to increase body mas by using anabolic steriods, athletes must also adhere to a diet with suffiecent protein and calories - up to 10,000 calories daily with 300 to 400 grams of protein.



Question: Creatine synthesis, if you increase creatine intake while on AS will it help you get stronger. I had always thought it just added to the amount of water you retain ?


Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the
androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out
of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along
with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear
relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it
takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact
that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume
creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine
requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your
ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by YellowJacket

I dont know where I got this one.....been in my database for awhile so I'll post it.


All anabolic steriods are synthetic compounds whose structure is similar to that of the natural male sex horomone
testosterone. Testosterone affects development of the male body in two important ways: it has an anabolic effect-increased growth, expecially of muscular and skeletal tissue and an androgenic effect-increased development of mail sexual characteristics. Once taken into the bloodstream, anabolic steriods bind to hormone receptonrs on skeletal muscle and other cells and stimulate synthesis of certain specific enzymes. These enzymes promote two improtant biochemical reactions: creatine phoshate systesis and protein sythesis. Creatine phospate is a molecule that can be metabolized in the absense of sufficient oxygen as a shot-term source of energy. Increased creatine phospate synthesis thus allows athletes to train harders and for longer periods of time, and therefore build more muscle. Protien synthesis is essential for long-term development of increased muscle mass or "bulk". In addtion, anabolic steriods promote nitrogen retention by the body. By allowing for better utization of the nitrogen in ingested protein, anabolic steriods help athlets to build mass. However this effect is offset by the bodys homeostatic mechanisms, which are designed to maintain a stable environment: therefore in order to increase body mas by using anabolic steriods, athletes must also adhere to a diet with suffiecent protein and calories - up to 10,000 calories daily with 300 to 400 grams of protein.



Question: Creatine synthesis, if you increase creatine intake while on AS will it help you get stronger. I had always thought it just added to the amount of water you retain ?


Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the
androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out
of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along
with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear
relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it
takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact
that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume
creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine
requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your
ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...

good shit YJ. you should make a "YJ's saved files" post. i bet you have countless good reads.

[babyblues]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

if i didnt respond to weight training or gear i would jump off a bridge and see if i responded to death.lol

I could be wrong here, but I don't think dying would help you get bigger.

[highrep]

Great info yellowjacket.

[buell1965]

smilax,yohimbe,chromium piccolonate,dhea,vanadyl sulfate and many others from the past and many more to come each with the promise of legal muscle gains.creatine has proven with out a doubt to be a plus.do yourself a favor newbie chris whether gear or no gear make sure u are gettin at least 1.5 to 2.0 grams of protien per pound of bodywieght.be warned at the 2.0 level u will be a fart/poop machine warn others around u.i myself try to stay around 1.2 to 1.5 and i tend to run myself out of the crapper.