Steroid cycles without testosterone

[adamuscle]

Has anyone here ever run a cycle that didn't include some kind of testosterone? I know it was common back in the 70's and 80's but I don't see it much these days.

Thanks

[ROCKILLER]

they have, some guys I know from the gym do it all the time, they use deca, winstrol or sustanon. None of them know anything about anti-E's or PCT. Search Deca on the board and you can find a few thread about cycles with no test.

The question is why would you want to

[adamuscle]

Originally Posted by ROCKILLER

they have, some guys I know from the gym do it all the time, they use deca, winstrol or sustanon. None of them know anything about anti-E's or PCT. Search Deca on the board and you can find a few thread about cycles with no test.

The question is why would you want to

sust is test FYI.

there are a lot of sides that come with test that make some want to avoid it. at the same time though, if your natural test levels are too low, you have a whole different set of sides. its a give or take really.

[ROCKILLER]

Ya, missed that one.

Why not just run a low dose of test to minimize the sides?

[redback]

well i just finished an EQ only cycle and was pretty disappointed, i have always ran test before but thought i would give it a try. I think you should always use test as a base for the best results

[OhHannah]

Originally Posted by ROCKILLER

The question is why would you want to

The answer should be fairly obvious for some of us.

[ROCKILLER]

Originally Posted by OhHannah

The answer should be fairly obvious for some of us.

true, but thats a completely different subject.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by redback

well i just finished an EQ only cycle and was pretty disappointed, i have always ran test before but thought i would give it a try. I think you should always use test as a base for the best results

EQ is weak though. you would have seen results if you had used a different compound alone such as deca, tren, winny, etc..

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by adamuscle

Has anyone here ever run a cycle that didn't include some kind of testosterone? I know it was common back in the 70's and 80's but I don't see it much these days.

Thanks

It is still done. Its just that pretty much every steroid will shut down your natural test production. Like you said, that brings its own sides. The best way to avoid all sides is to run a maintenance dose of test with the compound you are thinking of running.

[OhHannah]

Originally Posted by ROCKILLER

true, but thats a completely different subject.

No it ain't. The op said "anyone here". There are people here without penises.

I mean, besides Bouncer.

[redback]

im happy just running test on its own, its really all you need anyway

[ROCKILLER]

Originally Posted by OhHannah

No it ain't. The op said "anyone here". There are people here without penises.

I mean, besides Bouncer.

you knew what he meant

[Chadd77]

Originally Posted by redback

im happy just running test on its own, its really all you need anyway

I agree. I also would not run another compound by itself. Like B said it will shut you down. At minimum I would run test at 250mg/week.

[Kiev]

Deca was the primary steriod used solo by many bodybuilders n the 70- and 80's. I think they still used test but I have heard good things about Deca. Most who use deca also stack it with test. deca can be use as a cutting steriod just not as effective as winstrol. friends of mine use deca- test, then stack winstrol at end of cycle. I have a few injures and it works very well

[latin22]

I actually have ran EQ alone before and I was happy.I had no libido issues or gyno issues.I didn't gain like test but it was a nice maybe 10-15 lbs.It came slowly so I was able to keep almost all of it.I ran 2cc's a week for 12 weeks I forget the mg/ml though.
But Test is king so I don't see myself running EQ only again.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Kiev

Deca was the primary steriod used solo by many bodybuilders n the 70- and 80's. I think they still used test but I have heard good things about Deca. Most who use deca also stack it with test. deca can be use as a cutting steriod just not as effective as winstrol. friends of mine use deca- test, then stack winstrol at end of cycle. I have a few injures and it works very well

From what I understand, a stack of Deca, Primo, and dbol was big in the 70's. That or Test, Primo, and dbol.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by latin22

I actually have ran EQ alone before and I was happy.I had no libido issues or gyno issues.I didn't gain like test but it was a nice maybe 10-15 lbs.It came slowly so I was able to keep almost all of it.I ran 2cc's a week for 12 weeks I forget the mg/ml though.
But Test is king so I don't see myself running EQ only again.

if you gained 15lbs in 12 weeks from EQ, you are a world record holder. lol. most don't gain hardly any weight on EQ. the only thing i can think of is that it increased your appetite and you ate more then usual.

[latin22]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

if you gained 15lbs in 12 weeks from EQ, you are a world record holder. lol. most don't gain hardly any weight on EQ. the only thing i can think of is that it increased your appetite and you ate more then usual.

I had a feeling you would bust my balls on this lol. I jumped from 185 to about 205 during that 3 month period.I did eat alot more but I didn't get fatter maybe 5 lbs of fat or so was added.I was more vascular and bigger.

By the way I like your avatar I was born in Jersey but its been years since I've been there to visit.I'm a texan now since my wife dragged me here 2 years ago.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by latin22

its been years since I've been there to visit.I'm a texan now since my wife dragged me here 2 years ago.

sorry to hear about your tragedy.

[latin22]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

sorry to hear about your tragedy.

yeah I miss going every summer to Cape May.Its all good I guess now I can hop the border lol.

[hitmansb]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

if you gained 15lbs in 12 weeks from EQ, you are a world record holder. lol. most don't gain hardly any weight on EQ. the only thing i can think of is that it increased your appetite and you ate more then usual.

I've put on 10lbs on an EQ only cycle before. I think some of that was muscle memory kicking in though.

[redback]

Originally Posted by hitmansb

I've put on 10lbs on an EQ only cycle before. I think some of that was muscle memory kicking in though.

i think its dose related tho, how much were you running for how long?