What are the steroid laws in the UK and the rest of Europe?

[THE BOUNCER]

From my understanding, it is perfectly legal to use steroids in the UK and pretty much the rest of Europe.

How exactly does this work? Is it a gray area where you want to be discrete about it or could you just whip out a needle in the gym and inject? lol

[3v1lj03]

I am no expert B but as I understand it it is not illegal to possess steroids in the UK it is only illegal to sell them or vise verse. But I think that is how it goes as far as the rest of Europe it varies by country but, in generally they are more liberal then the US and Australia. And GH is generally legal everywhere in Europe I have read anyway. The English Gent can surely clear this up.

[Mr incredible]

Straight to it then lol!, I will come back with a fuller answer once I get chance to sit down with a guy I know that has just beaten a wrap. Basically its a situation whereby although its clear in law its not so clear in practice and accordingly its not given a great deal of attention by the police and rightly so when you consider its lack of consequence to the fabric of society. Essentially it is illegal to sell pharmacautical items which would normally require a prescription. This is an offence for which one can be prosecuted and possibly jailed, in considering sentancing once a guilty verdict has been established the judge would be required to, amongst other considerations, have due regard to the drug classification under our further interpretation of statute, here there is a pecking order of gravity of offence depending on what classification the drugs dealt belonged to. For example heroin and crack cocaine belong to class A, which is the most serious, anabolic steroids are class C last time I checked. Class C means that while selling is an offence, possession is not, ergo if you are caught in possession the question is, can it be established that you had intent to supply, also an offence akin to being caught selling. Clearly the likelihood of this being persued would pivot on the amount found. This is tricky and there are no strict guidelines that I know of. I can however tell you a story, I once was planning to go abroad on hols to another european destination where it was possible to buy aas over the counter at the pharmacies, as a pre emptive strategy I phoned uk customs and excise and talked to a reasonable guy who although very experienced in front line customs was still shady on the subject of aas. At the end of a long chat we established that abunch of vials was no big deal but a suitcase full would more likely be ceased and handed to the cops for testing and then left up to them. One time I came back from a holiday and had a bunch of organon deca and winny zambon and I got stopped, the guy searched my bag and found them, he said what arethese, I said hormone replacement I have roblems down there, gave him a straight stern look and he let me go. That was about 11 years ago and although other european ctrs have tightened its still possible to get them a bunch of places, not uk chemists though unless they're plain bent. So yeah as long as you hold your shit down and arnt dealing the cops don't really bother, however it is frowned upon by most other sections of society outside bbing so you generally keep you shit to yourrself.

[Mr incredible]

Oh shit lol, bet you can't wait for the fuller answer

[redback]

Heres some more info. I will be in spain at the end of the year and will add it to the list.



Albania doesn't have a pharmaceutical industry, everything is imported.

Arabian Peninsula (Saudi Arabia; Kuwait; Qatar; Dubai, UAE) - all decent places to find AAS and ancillary medications. Dubai is quite Westernized. Sales are restricted but its easy to obtain insulin, testosterone enanthate, Sustanon 250, Deca-Durabolin, (50mg/mL) and various anicilaries (Clomid, Proviron, Nolvadex, HCG...). Genotropin GH (need to know the right pharmacist) is around; ask an Egyptian pharmacists.

Bulgaria pharmacies sell Omnadren (it is written Omnadren but the esters are the same as in Sustanon), Retabolil (Deca-Durabolin 50mg/ml), Clenbuterol, Nolvadex, HCG, Clomid...

Czechoslovakia the Agovirin from Biotika (Testosterone Isobutyrate) same as test suspension; to include ancilaries.

Eastern Europe (Former Yugoslavia) countries have Galenika testosterone enanthate and some ancillary drugs like Nolvadex, etc. But the best markets in Europe for OTC AAS are Greece and Bulgaria; the rest have a limited line of products and cannot justify an "anabolic trip."

Ecuador pharmacies sell: Deca-Durabolin, test enanthate and primobolan from major distributors like Shering. Vetenarian stores sell: Equipoise, and testosterone propionate.

Egypt has open pharmacies selling many anabolics.

Greece has pharmacies selling: Nandrolone Decanoate (Norma Deca and Organon are hard to get and most pharmacies need prescription), Testosterone Enanthate (Schering and Norma are relatively accessible), Restandol (Organon), Proviron (Schering), HCG (Pregnyl-Organon, in 1500iu and 5000iu packs), Nolvadex (various), Clomid (various), Arimidex, Aromasin, T3 and T4 (various), Roaccutane (Roche) are all OTC. Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (Durabolin-Organon) was discontinued. And, if the guy in the pharmacy is your buddy, you can also get stuff like EPO, branded GH and Genepharm products. For most people, GH and EPO are not available unless you get a special prescription from hospital. Genepharm's AAS are not in the pharmacies anymore, the company still sells other products though.

India pharmacies are largely over-the-counter.

Iran has open pharmacies selling anabolics.

Lebanon has open pharmacies selling anabolics.

Mexico is well known by Americans; very reliable. However, many labels may present quality concerns. Most pharmacies have supplies of Deca-Durabolin, Dianabol, Sustanon 250, and Nolvadex.

Morocco - many decent places to find AAS and ancillary medications. Probably better near central and southern Morocco than near in the north around Tangier. Sales are restricted but its easy to obtain insulin, testosterone enanthate, Sustanon 250, Deca-Durabolin, (50mg/mL) and various anicilaries (Clomid, Proviron, Nolvadex, HCG...).

Pakistan pharmacies are largely over-the-counter.

Romania pharmacies are OTC; Naposims (Dbol) are available.

Poland is OTC; Omnadren from Jelfa are available.

South Africa is reportedly OTC.

Thailand is plentiful, and a common "juice holiday" for people. If your lucky, a cute little Thai girl pharmacist will pull out a thick folder of stock literature to choose from.

Turkey sells Primobolan, Sustanon 250, Anadrol, Andriol, Nolvadex, Proviron, HCG, Clomid, Cyclofenil, Lasix... without prescription.
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[Mr incredible]

Some good info there redback, some outside Europe, you can get winny and deca in spain but like many european countries outside the uk its about finding the right chemist. India I can personally confirm, I bought enanth 250's, t4, ketotifen, proviron. In terms of middle east id be very careful, the chemist may sell it otc, but you there have been cases where people were arrested and held in jail until they could prove they had got a prescription in their own country for their own meds they took on holiday

[redback]

Originally Posted by Mr incredible

In terms of middle east id be very careful, the chemist may sell it otc, but you there have been cases where people were arrested and held in jail

Not sure about all middle eastern countries but i know lebanon is ok. I have friends who go there afew times a year. No one could care less about aas over there.

[Mr incredible]

Originally Posted by redback

Not sure about all middle eastern countries but i know lebanon is ok. I have friends who go there afew times a year. No one could care less about aas over there.

probably right I'm just saying sometimes coming back through the airport can be a different matter, these are the kind of cases I'm talking about;

Stopovers In Dubai , Uae. Taking Medication ? - Thailand Forum

But having regard to the TS original question I think its fair to say that although European Law governs Europe, UK statute that in any case pre existed is probably the most adherent and even with that it only really prevents OTC sales or AAS, and as you move away from the UK there is more chance of getting stuff OTC.

There is a stop smoking drug with potentially bad side effects, such that in the UK you are required to be monitored under the doctor every week or so when taking it, my lady didn't have time to go to the doc and do all the pre therapy checks, when we went on holiday to Bruges, a chemist would have happily sold it to us there and then no probs, so it does vary throughout Europe and even where there is parity of laws, there's often much less unity in the way chemist shops behave the less developed the country is.

Outside Europe, I hear you on Egypt also, my mate went there last year and came back with loads of primo and sust, they were well versed in selling to people on holiday, he could have got top branded GH also, this was in sharmel shake sp. but he texted me about the costs and it was more expensive than black marked UK lol!

[Mr incredible]

Hey Redback, you got any stories yourself of when you brought stuff back, I remember when I brought a bunch stuff back from Goa, India. Fuckin Mother in law turned up at the airport to pick us up, a nice suprise lol! (I was waiting for my bags to come round the carousel, thinking shit this is gonna look great if I get pulled!), sure enough Airport security started to gather, 3 of them one lady and two guys, the lady looks at me and looks at the carousel, does it again, then again, I'm thinking oh fuck, they've scanned the bag and seen all the vials and their waiting for me to pull the bag before they jump (clearly I woulda just then they're personal use, what do you want?, but I'm thinkin there may still be a fine, after a long interview and confiscation and the mother in law is gonna see it all). I wait a while to see if they're gonna go, mother in law is looking at me and saying, come on I'm on a meter, I'm like oh shit oh shit trying not to look nervour, then I just say to myself fuck it, try look big for the personal use argument went and grabbed it, then they filtered away.

Weird experience, I could swear they were looking to see if a bodybuilder collected the bag, or else they would of pounced. Then I had to listen to the mother in law all the way home, frankly I would of preffered police interrogation!

[redback]

Originally Posted by Mr incredible

Hey Redback, you got any stories yourself of when you brought stuff back, I remember when I brought a bunch stuff back from Goa, India. Fuckin Mother in law turned up at the airport to pick us up, a nice suprise lol! (I was waiting for my bags to come round the carousel, thinking shit this is gonna look great if I get pulled!), sure enough Airport security started to gather, 3 of them one lady and two guys, the lady looks at me and looks at the carousel, does it again, then again, I'm thinking oh fuck, they've scanned the bag and seen all the vials and their waiting for me to pull the bag before they jump (clearly I woulda just then they're personal use, what do you want?, but I'm thinkin there may still be a fine, after a long interview and confiscation and the mother in law is gonna see it all). I wait a while to see if they're gonna go, mother in law is looking at me and saying, come on I'm on a meter, I'm like oh shit oh shit trying not to look nervour, then I just say to myself fuck it, try look big for the personal use argument went and grabbed it, then they filtered away.

Weird experience, I could swear they were looking to see if a bodybuilder collected the bag, or else they would of pounced. Then I had to listen to the mother in law all the way home, frankly I would of preffered police interrogation!

lol. So did you have a script so you could claim personal use? You couldnt get away with that in australia. I have never tried to bring anything into this country on my person thro customs.

[Mr incredible]

Originally Posted by redback

lol. So did you have a script so you could claim personal use? You couldnt get away with that in australia. I have never tried to bring anything into this country on my person thro customs.

nope no script nada, just about 250lbs of bloated muscle as an excuse

[Mr incredible]

OK I said I'd come back with a fuller answer;

Dear Enquirer,

Thank you for your recent enquiry to the MHRA.

We can confirm that there is no requirement for a member of the public to notify the MHRA of the importation of medicines for personal use and the legislation does not restrict such importation. The MHRA therefore has no objections, provided that the imported medicinal products is used only for your own personal use and that you do not sell or supply imported medicines to anybody else (including family members).

You should be aware that up to a 3 month supply of a medicine is considered to be an acceptable quantity for personal use, HM Revenue and Customs can prevent importation if large quantities are being imported and/or they have suspicions that the product is not being imported for personal use. You can read more about HM Revenue and Customs from their website at the link below: HM Revenue & Customs: Home Page

We also advise you to investigate whether the product(s) you wish to import are categorised as controlled substances in the UK - Controlled drugs are regulated by the Home Office under the Misuse of Drugs Act, and can require a licence to allow their entry into the UK**. The Home Office have published a list (although not exhaustive) of controlled substances on their website and you will need to contact them directly for clarification on whether a Home Office licence is required for importation into the UK: Drugs | Home Office

We advise that any posted packages containing medicines should contain a copy of the prescription and/or a letter from the patient's doctor explaining why the product(s) are required, we suggest that the package is clearly labelled on the outside stating the contents of the package and that the products are for personal use. We also strongly advise that the medicines are kept in their original packaging and that they are transported in accordance with storage conditions specified by the Manufacturer (this not only helps identify the medicines, but also helps ensure the product's stability).





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[redback]

good post mate, thanks

[THE BOUNCER]

yep good info.