Doubts about cycles ...

[Tom Platz]

First they excuse me the language mistakes,

I live in Brazil and training to 8 years. Now I am making the following cycle:

Week 1 - 12 750 mg Durateston (Testosterone Compost - Propianate + Cypionate + Enanthate)
Week 1 - 12 400 mg Boldenone
Week 1 - 6 100 mg Anadrol (Hemogenim in Brazil)

I am weighing 300 pounds and I am with 20,5 inches of arm, 20 inches of calves, 33 inches of leg but for this I was with aprox. 25% bf. I have 5' 9" of height.

I am finishing my cycle for growth (mentioned on top) and inside of 2 months I intend to begin a cycle for cutting fat.

I am thinking of doing the following cycle:

Weeks 1 - 8 300 mg Winstrol
Weeks 1 - 8 Clembuterol (15 on - 15 off) + ECA + T3

I would like to know your opinion on these cycles (growth and cutting fat) and if you have some additional recommendation.

Thankful

In time.... I don't intend to compete. I just intend to arrive about from 10% to 12% bf

[JohnnyB]

Your test is to high, go 500mg of test a week for first cycle.

JohnnyB

[Tom Platz]

Thanksl for the answer JohnnyB but this is not my first cycle. I take AE´s to some time.

[Blackfoot]

300mg of Winny is way too high IMO. Or is that a misprint?

[Tom Platz]

The amount of Winstrol is correct one (300 mg/week). Is this one of my doubts, which would the advisable amount be?

[Blackfoot]

Originally posted by Tom Platz
The amount of Winstrol is correct one (300 mg/week). Is this one of my doubts, which would the advisable amount be?

Oh ok. I thought is was every day. Most people post mg of winny ed since that's how it's taken. So 300mg per week is about 40mg per day. That about right. Although, you're a 300 pounder, so you could easily up the dosage.

[Frankie xq]

you should definitely try to cut down bf to 12%. if not below that.

[jack hust]

i would do whinny at 50 mg ed

[drgoodbody]

I like both of your cycles, although you might consider a couple of small changes.

* I would increase the Boldenone to 600mg/week and reduce the Anadrol to 50mg every day. For me boldenone works better at 500+ mg/week than below that (and I am 80 lbs smaller than you). My liver enzymes got really screwed about 4 cycles ago on 150mg of Anadrol ED, never again. I was using all sorts of supposed "liver protectants" (milk thistle, phostphadyl choline, tyler detox, etc) and then one day I started to get a "tickle" in my gut. Scared the hell out of me.

* For cutting I like Winstrol at 50 mg every day, along with Testosterone Propionate at 50mg every day and Trenbolone at 50mg every day (if you can get it down in Brazil).

* Clen and ECA cycled is good especially along with T3. Might want to consider adding in some yohimbine (it is an alpha 2 receptor agonist, which takes the breaks off of fat loss while Clen helps accelerate fat loss thru upregulating beta receptors). I would use 10mg of yohimbine (the active part of yohimbe bark) for every 100lbs in body weight. So for you, 30mg everyday in divided doses.

* The most important part of cutting is your diet, so post that next.

later,

DrG

[Tom Platz]

I was thinking to place Anavar (Oxandrolone 30 mg /ed) in the place of the Trenbolone.... could it be?

[drgoodbody]

Anavar is a nice choice for cutting, but you've already got Winstrol which is 17-alpha-alkylated, so your liver may not be too happy with Anavar on top of it. I'm speculating on the impact though since I've never use a Winny+Anavar combo myself. How about Primobolan, it would also be a nice choice.

DrG

[Bruce Banner]

Originally posted by Tom Platz
I was thinking to place Anavar (Oxandrolone 30 mg /ed) in the place of the Trenbolone.... could it be?

Does this mean you can't obtain Tren?? Because it would definitely be a great choice for the cutting cycle.....

[spidey]

DrGoodbody - chime in on my thread about my clen, t3, eq cutter. I will bump it to the top.

[Doom]

Brasil era como uma loja do doce para mim, eles temtoda a mais melhor merda lá. Você deve poder começar tren com nenhum problema que eu terminaria honesta apenas aumentar, e então restringe-se a uma dieta séria e a um regimine cardio, queima-se fora da gordura de corpo extra, e usa-se então um combo do clenbuterol, do T3 e do Anavar... depois que você deixou cair a porcentagem da gordura de corpo para baixo ao menos a 15%

Também em 300lbs e em 5'9, junto com o Hemogenim, e no mais duratest, você é mais provável prendendo muitos do peso da água é você que usa qualquer tipo anti de estrogen? Arimidex, Letrozole?

[supadupa]

You a freakin Huge man!!! 5'9 and 300lbs. DAMN!!

[Tom Platz]

I' m using Tamoxifen Citrate 10 mg/ed. Even so I discovered a problem. The laboratory that manufactured T3 in Brazil was closed due to problems with other medications that provoked death even of some people. Unhappily any substitute doesn't exist today in Brazil. Could anybody suggest a substitute for the T3 for use with the Clembuterol and ECA ?

[Doom]

T4...precusor to T3

[Tom Platz]

The form to use the T4 it is same what T3 ?

[Bruce Banner]

Originally posted by Tom Platz
The form to use the T4 it is same what T3 ?

T4 converts to T3....

[markus]

You need lo lean up a lot man!!!
300 lbs for your height is too much!!!
Try to do a shredding cycle that includes some ex-pois and triacana and you have to do more proteins and a lot less carbs.
I been in Brazil and it is easy for you to get some of the vet stuff.

[andy420]

hey man what part of Brazil I've been to Sao Paulo

[Tom Platz]

I´m living in Curitiba, capital of Parana State, in south of Brazil ... I am thinking of doing, with the cycle of Trenbolone + Winstrol + Propianate + Clembuterol + ECA + T3 + Yohimbine a Cyclic Ketogenic Diet at least for 2 months for cutting the great amount of fat acquired.