Your suggestions?

[Bdubb]

I am looking for suggestions mainly from those who have used hGH, but others can feel free to suggest as well.

I believe I will be starting a nice cycle at the beginning of next year and being finished with it by summer. I am still learning about growth and need a little clarification on how long it takes to make a substancial effect on the body. Is there any buildup time before GH starts to makes new muscle cells? Mainly I am looking to see how much/how long I will be needing to take it to get to where I would like.

I am currently 210, down 12 pounds after coming off my last cycle and breaking my hand again. I typically gain about 20 pounds off any cycle I seem to run, and I have only gone 8 weeks before. I can easily jump up to 230 which was my original goal, but now I am looking to hit 250 and would like to do it with one final cycle if possible. I understand it may not be realistic to assume I can get to 250 in a few months and then keep the gains, but that is just a goal to shoot for and I like to sset my goals a little higher than ordinary.

I'm currently looking into starting off with Prop and Fina then on week later starting the hGH. After 6 weeks of the prop and Fina starting something with a little longer acting ester such as Enth and EQ. Coming off the prop and fina weeks 8 and then only be on the eq and test E, and hGH. I have also had the thought of finishing off with winny. Slin is a consideration, but at this point in time I am not sure if I want to go with slin or not.

Give me your ideas and criticism along with what you think the length will need to be pertaining to the hGH at approx 6iu a day, split 3 and 3.

Thanks

[LARGELI]

So you want to gain 40 pounds in a 6 month span.....not impossible. what dosages of test/tren/eq are you running? are you trying to stay relatively descent bf% or are you just trying to get to 250 period w/o too much concern for bf?

[Doom]

GH takes a agood 12 weeks before any type of noticeable differences in body structure occur, the regeneration of muscles cells and density come from the GH strengthing the immune system, to re grow and broken down tissue, general reason its used in patiensts suffering from the AIDS virus

Now as far as cycling goes, GH is and isnt a miracle drug, its not going to pack on lbs of weight, and its not gonna make you young again over night..its gonna slowly change your bodies compostion, your sleeping habits will become better, you will notice that its a bit eaiser to stay lean while eating like shit, you will notice dbol like pumps in ceratin areas, you will notice your skin and hair will seem healthier...its the cloest thing to a fountain of youth, but it comes only after months of use.

Test and T3, too me are needed. Anything else you add in is up to you, insulin, unless you have very strong handle on it, dont fuck with it, just because you feel it will enahnce the GH, in all reality it will, and the body will become insulin sensitive after a few months, but take the time to understand slin before diving in

Also depending on the brand you are choosing to use, and the age you are 6iu may not be necessary, you may only need half of that.

Now with the use of gear, youve laid of out several components, I can put them into a good long cycle that will switch up through if you would like, reaping the benefits of all, and not having to come off in between

And last buit most important, which brand of GH were you considering?

[Bdubb]

I haven't looked too hard into what GH I can get a hold of because I am still in the early planning stages, but for now I will go with saying, serostim.

As far as how much to take... I would actually like to take the least amount of GH and AAS and still achieve good gains. I'll be roughly 23 when I look to start this and for several reasons would like to be able to take only 3-4iu's a day.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally posted by Doom
GH takes a agood 12 weeks before any type of noticeable differences in body structure occur, the regeneration of muscles cells and density come from the GH strengthing the immune system, to re grow and broken down tissue, general reason its used in patiensts suffering from the AIDS virus

Now as far as cycling goes, GH is and isnt a miracle drug, its not going to pack on lbs of weight, and its not gonna make you young again over night..its gonna slowly change your bodies compostion, your sleeping habits will become better, you will notice that its a bit eaiser to stay lean while eating like shit, you will notice dbol like pumps in ceratin areas, you will notice your skin and hair will seem healthier...its the cloest thing to a fountain of youth, but it comes only after months of use.

Test and T3, too me are needed. Anything else you add in is up to you, insulin, unless you have very strong handle on it, dont fuck with it, just because you feel it will enahnce the GH, in all reality it will, and the body will become insulin sensitive after a few months, but take the time to understand slin before diving in

Also depending on the brand you are choosing to use, and the age you are 6iu may not be necessary, you may only need half of that.

Now with the use of gear, youve laid of out several components, I can put them into a good long cycle that will switch up through if you would like, reaping the benefits of all, and not having to come off in between

And last buit most important, which brand of GH were you considering?

[Bdubb]

Originally posted by LARGELI
So you want to gain 40 pounds in a 6 month span.....not impossible. what dosages of test/tren/eq are you running? are you trying to stay relatively descent bf% or are you just trying to get to 250 period w/o too much concern for bf?

My last cycle was 100mg prop/ 75mg Fina ED for 8 weeks and I gained roughly 22 pounds with a diet that could have quite a bit better.

I'm looking to shed off some body fat and that another reason why I have looked towards hGH.

[Bdubb]

Looking at things a little more and knowing a little about how long I would need to run this. I am looking at roughly 4 serostim at 3 or 4iu's a day. Going with my preference as well as others to leave out the slin and stick with AAS. I would also include a T3 taper and liquidex.


Doom, Bouncer, and others... I have read about the benefits of taking an oral with hGH, what are your thoughts to this? I beleive I came across the info in a post made by Wronggun on muscletalk.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally posted by Bdubb

Doom, Bouncer, and others... I have read about the benefits of taking an oral with hGH, what are your thoughts to this? I beleive I came across the info in a post made by Wronggun on muscletalk.

Yes, GH has been shown to work better in conjuction with an androgenic steroid. Im not exactlly sure of the science behind it but maybe doom can explain better. I will look for an article I read for you.

[Bdubb]

thanks

[Bdubb]

I didn't re-read it, but I think this is it. However, it was posted by Raven.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24053

[Doom]

Easiest way to explain this, and I apologize if Im writing anything you already know, is this...

As you know GH is the hormone that basically helps to transform a child into the man or woman they will become. GH isnt androgenic, or anabolic, its simple a hormone that regulates the growth of individuals through spikes during the phase of puberty.
As the human body grows older the pituitary begins to down grade the amount of GH that is produced, hence the problems with aging. With the addition, or supplementataion if you will of GH, these problems are more or less put on a hold, the aging process is slowed down, its re strengths the immune system, and so on. The additin of steroids in this matter is what counts the most. As the bodys aging process goes on, the lack of ceartin thing hinders gains and improvement in phsycial and mental health...here is where GH steps in, it re balances what has been lost through time, and while adding things like testosetrone, the body maybe that of an older man, but on the inside, those things that the average middle aged man wouldnt produce have began to function again...a healing if you will...a strengthing of areas that would normall take longer to respond to hormonal therapy.

The GH acts as a catalist, to help boost the progress of steroid supplementation. The response you achieve is much greater than if used without. Now if you are looking for the best gains, with test and other substances, conjoined with the GH, you have 2 options.

The first is to run, a much longer cycle than you are used to, in the neighborhood of at least 6 months, but you would use much lower doses, and keep the body saturated, so that when the GH fully kicked in, you wopuld notice almost immedaitly the subtle differences in all aspects of the body

The other choice, is to begin the GH on its own and give it a minimum of at least 3 months beforw any trie benefits beceome prevalent, and then you would run a cycle, witha bit higher dosing, but for shorter amount of time

In my own personal expierence, I would run long, and low...you are young, and it will take time anyway you slice it

skip the prop, and fina for the first 2 months....take advantage of the GH, and the winter time to gain some mass...use a good test/deca/dbol cycle...again light does on all, and then run some hcg mid way through and then just switch up what you are using...start running a cutting phase with prop/fina/winny

And finally, DONT use serostime, you want real results, use something else, this shit will kill you financially, and you need high doses for any kind of desired effect...but again that is just my opinion

I hope that has helped some

[Bdubb]

That did help some.

I like the idea of a long and low dose cycle. With this route the GH would be started around the 2 month or so?

My only worry would be about acne problems which I have suffered before, but I think that keeping a low dose would help keep the acne from showing up.

So, as far as dosage on say, a 6 month cycle, what do you think?


Enthanate 200mg weeks 1-16
Deca 200mg weeks 1-16
Dbol 20mg ED weeks ?
Fina 75mg EOD weeks 17-24
Prop 100mg EOD weeks 17-24
Winny 50mg EOD weeks 19-24
hGH 4iu's weeks 5-24

Also:
HCG mid way and post cycle
T3 tapered

[Bdubb]

Should any of the dosages be a little lower, the dbol for instance?

[Doom]

250mgs of test is what the body produces natty, 500 is minimum I would use for growth. Deca dose is fine, dbol run for the first 5 weeks. Fina winny and prop I would use ED
GH dosing is fine, 2 shots a day is perfect
T3 I would run in rotations of 5 weeks on 3 weeks off
HCG hit at week 12, 500iu ed, for 7-10 days
and again at week 24, at week 27, begin clomid or novla therapy

[IAMHUGE]

G is a waste of money.

[sana]

Originally posted by IAMHUGE
G is a waste of money.

G as in GHB or G as in Growth Hormone?

where are you basing this opinion on??

[Bdubb]

Thanks for all the help Doom. I was thinking the test was low, but the most I have done of test a week was about 700-800 a week of prop.

[Doom]

Originally posted by IAMHUGE
G is a waste of money.

Care to back that statement up? Perhaps you didnt know what you were doing, didnt use enough, stored it improperly?

Hard to call GH a waste of money when you actually know how to use it

[Doom]

Originally posted by Bdubb
Thanks for all the help Doom. I was thinking the test was low, but the most I have done of test a week was about 700-800 a week of prop.

No problem bro...500mgs is a crusing dose, if you feel you arent gaining you can always bump it up a bit, I know plenty of guys that grow like weeds off smaller doses...you'll do just fine

[blm]

There was a good segment on 60 minutes last night about HGH and how it is becoming a new trend for wealthy parents to get prescribed for their children so they can grow taller and not get picked on in school or fit in better in sports.

[Doom]

Yes I heard about that as well, Saizen is generally used to help with growth defiencies...but again with the way science is evolving, Im sure they are finding something in their genetic make up that would deem this necessary, if the parents are just doing this for cosmetic reason, they are just simple assholes and the doctors that are allowing this are morally corrupt

[sana]

it's actually a very common thearpy - well not "common" per se. but it's really for kids who are "predicted" to be short of stature (read: girls 4'10", boys less than 5'4" or something like that). nutropin (if you read the studies on genentech's website) is actually developed for this exact reason - to help these children grow to more "average" heights. has nothing to do with rich parents with too much money who want pretty kids

[blm]

Originally posted by sana
has nothing to do with rich parents with too much money who want pretty kids

True, it is not intended for this. However, they were discussing the fact that a trend is beginning to develop of wealthy parents (because it costs 20k/yr for prescribed therapy) pushing to get it prescribed for the wrong reasons.

[Bdubb]

What about uping the deca to 300mg a week and adding some proviron?