controlled delivary

[smallbutgrowin]

is this likely with a small pack like1000 tabs or less

[Racer814]

I wouldnt say its likely.....but its always a crapshoot....if its overseas shipment I would say no...if its domestic and they discovered it then yes they might......alot depends on your supplier....how he packages.....volume of packages he ships at one time......all it takes is to arouse the suspicions of the postal inspector......but no....1000 tabs shouldnt be no deal.....

SMALL....... I have known 2 people VERY RECENTLY that have gotten controlled deliveries from a place that just sells tabs. Each where busted ordering 1000 Winny. One received a seizure letter and then 6 weeks later a biker showed up at his door saying this accidentally was delivered to him. As soon as he brought it inside the house, the Feds all came in. 8 of them. Same thing happened to the next guy. This time someone dressed as a Postal Worker had this guys girlfreind sign for the package and bring it inside. They waited for him to come over and as soon as he did, they knocked on the door and 8 Feds again all came in. Handcuffed him and tried the scare tactic. Your best bet would be to order, but NEVER sign for anything and NEVER except a package from anyone and bring it inside. Search Warrant almost always state that the only way they can search your house is if you actually have possession of the package inside your house. If you want to know anything else, be specific and hopefully I will be able to help. PEACE! KIR

[smallbutgrowin]

was it domestic or international and does it matter.

But beleive me this could also happen domestically. So your never 100% safe. But in general I hear of many more controlled deliveries happening from international ordering then domestic. But the postal service knows what to look out for also, and if your supp doesnt know what they are looking for and doesnt package correctly to not catch their eyes, then it could happen domestically also. USPS priority mailing is the way to go, if you can tell your domestic supp to send that way. There actually has to be a search warrant for them to open your package. This normally takes 2-3 days, and federal law prohibits them holding a package for even that long unless warranted. I could go on for hours about this. If you want to know anything else specifc just ask. PEACE! KIR

[smallbutgrowin]

ok so reg. mail usps if i dont sign and dont take it in the house then can i still be charged? and if a pack takes a lot longer for delivery than normal can i assume it has been found.

Dont ever sign for a package. Its as simple as that. Sure a good lawyer at times can get you off even if you sign for it. But even if you dont sign for it, but still accept it and take it into your house, you will still be busted. That MAIN thing is to never take a package from anyone. People say to leave the package by the garbage, or mark "Return to sender" on the box and leave unopened. But that simply DOESNT WORK. They dont care what you did with the box except that you took it into your house. Writing return to sender even makes it look worse because you accepted the package, brought it into your house, and then decided to write that after (meaning looks fishy because then they know you know whats inside.)

Now lets say you DONT except that package and they are trying to make a controlled delivery. There is VERY HIGH chances that there will be 2 suits coming up to your door within a few minutes knocking and trying to get you to admit that you know whats inside the package and thats why you didnt take it from someone. You need to just say "NO" Thats it. Just tell them it isnt your package and to leave you alone. Slam the door and there is NOTHING they can do about it. Hope this helps inform you more.

As for the timely deliveries. All you need to know is to not sign for anything or except the package. There are supps out there that will let you know when to expect your package, but most dont. (I hate that most dont). If you have someone that will give you a small window like 2-3 days, then your all set. International, that is just impossible to predict. Remember, it is ALWAYS better to loose a package then it is to sign for one hoping it will be ok. PEACE! KIR

[smallbutgrowin]

what if the pac has your real name on it?

Bro, doesnt matter either way. If your name is on the package and you refuse it, it is NOT your package. Who is to say that someone doesnt know your schedule and gets packages delivered to your house and picks them up at your front door when your not home yet? If you put a fake name on it. These bros know of this anyway, and if there is any question, it will just show that you knew what was being delivered and thats why you used a fake name on the package. Anymore questions just let me know. PEACE! KIR

P.S- Some postal workers will actually pay attention to packages always being delivered under different names, so it is actually safer to just use your real name. Remember, key is to never except package from someone. Always make sure it is left at your front door. PEACE! KIR

[STALKER]

YES IT WAS DONE TO ME FOR A 65 DOLLAR PACKAGE AND IT WAS LEGIT.. SO A BIG BUST AT MY HOUSE FOR NOTHING.. TONS OF MONEY LOST FOR NOTHING...

STALKER!!!!!!!!!!! Whats up brutha. Have a good Christmas bro, and you know where to find me if you ever need to chat. PEACE! KIR

[BeastLt12]

stalker that was a funny ass story, stupid bastards need to be stopping the real drains on society

No shit BEAST!!!!!!! You know it brutha. They should concentrate on the rapists and murderers that are still on the loose. And the missing children in this country, who's parents everyday wish they had some kinda of closure. PEACE! KIR

[hitmeoff]

Guys,

You need to remember...you NEVER EVER get busted for what is sent to you. ANybody can send you anything they want, it doesnt mean you asked for it or ordered it. Even if you sign for a pack, it can be argued in court you never ordered it (because afterall, who denies a pack?).

Reciving/signing a pack in reality just means youve given them the right to search your place. Recieving a pack alone wont be enough to hold a case against you. You can deny it all. However, its tough to deny you didnt order a pack of gear when you have gear and needles and such in your house.

In the end, what you get busted for is what they discover once they bust through the door, not for what you recieved. So the best thing you can do to protect yourself is...KEEP YOUR FREAKING HOUSE CLEAN!!!! Dont keep anything in your house, not one single Dbol.

LMAO. Although true. 99% of bros keep gear in their house. So in reality, it is better to advise bros on regecting packages whether then telling them its ok to accept, keep house clean, and take chances in court to get off the package you excepted. My advice is protecting the person all around. INCLUDING THE PACKAGE someone is trying to bust them for. And if you think that your getting busted for whats in your house and NOT whats in the package like you stated, your crazy!!!!! Tell me they wont add in another 2000 tabs of dbol or another 50 amps or whatever to the gear you have in your house to try to get you convicted as a supp. Come on now lets keepitreal. PEACE! KIR

[hitmeoff]

Originally posted by KeepinItReal
LMAO. Although true. 99% of bros keep gear in their house. So in reality, it is better to advise bros on regecting packages whether then telling them its ok to accept, keep house clean, and take chances in court to get off the package you excepted. My advice is protecting the person all around. INCLUDING THE PACKAGE someone is trying to bust them for. And if you think that your getting busted for whats in your house and NOT whats in the package like you stated, your crazy!!!!! Tell me they wont add in another 2000 tabs of dbol or another 50 amps or whatever to the gear you have in your house to try to get you convicted as a supp. Come on now lets keepitreal. PEACE! KIR

Bro,

Im sure youve heard the stories: people will get thier houses raided even if they dont sign for a pack. Ive heard TOO many stories of postal inspectors literally FORCING the pack on people. Sometimes dropping off packs, waiting for the person to take them inside and open them (Ive heard stories of PIs putting devices that alert them when the pack is opened), Postal Inspectors throwing the pack inside the house so they can claim possesion, etc. We've all heard these stories, some may be far fetched, but some are bound to be legit. My point is: Dont store your gear where you expect to recieve a pack...at least not during the time your expecting to recieve packs.

ANd your right, they WILL add the extra 2000 dbol and 50 amps of sust to whatever you have in your house to make it worse. If they find gear in your house, well of course its VERY likely you DID order the gear they are trying to bust you with. Thats the point. Its all about what you can prove, the key is to not give them the ability to prove anything. So if you DONT have gear in your house, its VERY hard to prove you ordered anything.

As its been said a million times before on the boards: Clean House!!! Clean House!!! Clean House!!! So once again, the bottom line is: Dont store your gear where you recieve it. Period. End Of Story.

[Lmg2701]

Originally posted by hitmeoff
Bro,

Im sure youve heard the stories: people will get thier houses raided even if they dont sign for a pack. Ive heard TOO many stories of postal inspectors literally FORCING the pack on people. Sometimes dropping off packs, waiting for the person to take them inside and open them (Ive heard stories of PIs putting devices that alert them when the pack is opened), Postal Inspectors throwing the pack inside the house so they can claim possesion, etc. We've all heard these stories, some may be far fetched, but some are bound to be legit. My point is: Dont store your gear where you expect to recieve a pack...at least not during the time your expecting to recieve packs.

ANd your right, they WILL add the extra 2000 dbol and 50 amps of sust to whatever you have in your house to make it worse. If they find gear in your house, well of course its VERY likely you DID order the gear they are trying to bust you with. Thats the point. Its all about what you can prove, the key is to not give them the ability to prove anything. So if you DONT have gear in your house, its VERY hard to prove you ordered anything.

As its been said a million times before on the boards: Clean House!!! Clean House!!! Clean House!!! So once again, the bottom line is: Dont store your gear where you recieve it. Period. End Of Story.

Well said.

Hit me your also missing one simple thing. There are search warrants that have been made for homes even if the packages are sent to PO Boxes. Dont think just because you send the package to a different location that they wont know. They even have tracers set in cities once there have been a few seizures internationally to certain names. They will trace PO Boxes and houses just by the city and if a similar package is detected going to the same city, they can run a trace on it to find out who is actually ending up picking up the package. You bros are making this all to simple. I'm gonna make this as SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go online and purchase: LEGAL MUSCLE by Rick Collins

This book will inform you beyond what everyone here is saying. This brutha is the most knowledgable defense lawyer in the country for anabolic cases. There is no better. And in my mind no better book. You can also read in this book what your individual state laws are and what the charges are for each state. OK, enough said!!!!!!!!!!!! BUY THE BOOK!!!!!!!!

HITMEOFF........ you think I'm just here talking out of my ass? I read over 400 pages of this law, what they do, how they do it, ect............. What have you read? Dont simply state that "CLEAN HOUSE" You would be a FOOL to state such a simplistic answer after actually RESEARCHING and reading this book. You think the Feds, Customs, Local postal inspectors cant find out where certain packages are going to and who is eventually getting them? LOL You have to be kidding me right? If you have a couple packages coming from overseas and they get seized and you are one of the unlucky ones to have them come after you. Even if they dont find you, a lot of times they put searches for your name, other names, addresses, po boxes, ect..... that are receiving similar packages in CITIES AROUND THAT AREA!!!!!!!! CLEAN HOUSE CLEAN HOUSE!!!! LMAO PLEASE. Not 100% safe either. Now go buy the book and do some research. That is MY END OF THE STORY!!!!!!!!!! PEACE! KIR

[Stonecold54]

I personally clean house when i am expecting packs coming in. Nothing is full proof and if they want you bad enough, they will get you. clean your house when a pack is coming is about all you can do to minimize a bad situation. I had a friend who got busted with a LARGE amount in his possesion even though he had cleaned his house for awhile the cops sat on him until he brought everything back and then went charging it. lucky for him all the warrant had on it was ectasy so he basically got off with a slap on the wrist and the cops took all his drugs with no report filed. Now we have a bunch of jacked up cops from the unreported bust. LOL

LOL Stoney. Same here bro where I am at. Im actually freinds with all the cops in the 3 surrounding cities. We all workout together, and so do the Priuson officials and Prison guards. Great group of guys. You can see they are all hopped up on gear. My one bro got busted with close to $2G's in gear and some darts and they only gave him a $180 ticket for the darts and confiscated the gear. Funny how that works huh? LOL Stoney, I agree whatever you can do to be safe is key, but nothing is fool proof like you and I have both said. I've read many REAL CASES of bros who got busted having gear sent somewhere else and they recevied a search warrant for his house on the condition they follow him home and watch him go into the house with the package. Nothing is fool proof. If they can find Hussein in a 4x4 ditch in the ground out of a whole country, they can find anyone they want who is ordering gear. LOL PEACE! KIR

[hitmeoff]

Originally posted by KeepinItReal
LOL Stoney. Same here bro where I am at. Im actually freinds with all the cops in the 3 surrounding cities. We all workout together, and so do the Priuson officials and Prison guards. Great group of guys. You can see they are all hopped up on gear. My one bro got busted with close to $2G's in gear and some darts and they only gave him a $180 ticket for the darts and confiscated the gear. Funny how that works huh? LOL Stoney, I agree whatever you can do to be safe is key, but nothing is fool proof like you and I have both said. I've read many REAL CASES of bros who got busted having gear sent somewhere else and they recevied a search warrant for his house on the condition they follow him home and watch him go into the house with the package. Nothing is fool proof. If they can find Hussein in a 4x4 ditch in the ground out of a whole country, they can find anyone they want who is ordering gear. LOL PEACE! KIR

Brother, no one said you are talking out of your ass, but you just proved my point by saying what you said:

Refusing to sign for a pack is next to worthless. If they want to bust you they will regardless of a signature or not. If they go through the trouble of tracking down PO Box owners and such (and of course, when I said clean house where you receive your packs, i meant to include if your address is linked to your PO Box as well), then what makes you think simply refusing to sign for a pack will get you out of trouble? Thats my point brother, no one said cleaning house would get your off with 100% certainty, but if you have nothing illegal in the place that you recieve gear (or the address to where your PO Box is linked too) then it makes it THAT MUCH harder to prove you ordered anything in the first place.

Realize that anyone can send you anything...it does not mean you asked for it. The key is to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that you DID order something. THeres alot of doubt that can be raised when your house is clean bro.

My point is this: the taking and signing for packages is the least of your worries. If the PI and local PD want to bust you, they will make sure your pack gets into your possession. Like you said, youve seen many cases where the cops can get a search warrant for a house where the gear is not sent to. So what makes you think the cops wont be busting down your door when a controlled delivery happens and you refuse the pack? Thats what Im saying bro, if your getting a controlled deliver, recieving the pack is the least of your worries.

What it simple does is refusing to sign AND REFUSING TO ACCEPT................ I never said take the package but just dont sign for it. LMAO What it does is it stops them from being able to use the search warrant on your house which they have on hand. Thats what it does. As I stated...... get the book, read and research.

And bro, Im trying to tell everyone to read this book so they dont have to go YOUR ROUTE. The last thing I want to do is to "PROVE WITHOUT A REASONABLE DOUBT" anything. That only means you have been charged with something and are spending thousands of dollars defending yourself. Once again, I NEVER stated that simply refusing to sign a package keeps you out of trouble. By refusing the package when they are at your door, it simply stops them from being able to search your house because of what the search warrants state. I've done my reading and know the ACTUALY LAWS on this all and all the ways they try to get around it. Too much info (over 400 pages) to type everything out for you to obtain more knowledge. Thats why Im telling you to get the book and read it yourself. PEACE! KIR

[BrickShitHouse]

I agree with KIR. Everyone should get the book Legal Muscle....great read and the knowledge you gain regarding your rights and how to protect your freedom is well worth the price. BSH

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by BrickShitHouse
I agree with KIR. Everyone should get the book Legal Muscle....great read and the knowledge you gain regarding your rights and how to protect your freedom is well worth the price. BSH

I am to broke from all the gear I buy. LOL-it will be on my valentines day wish list for my fiancee to buy me.

LOL Stoney. Well worth the money bro. Very goodf information. Hard to put the book down once you get started. PEACE! KIR

[amdew2]

I've gotten 1 seizure notice, and at the same time ordered nolvadex from outside the boarder.. only 100 tabs... now just got the 1st order and it was seized.. waiting for the nolvadex shipment.. now that I'm flagged... if they find this one... will they possibly try a controlled delivery.. and if they do it... what do they do if they bust you.... also... any good lawyers in chicago..?

[uuugeboy]

Reading it right now KIR. Great read. If you're in this game you better damn well have it and understand it.

[majoradams]

So what happens in the states if you do get busted?