Farenheit 9/11

[goliath]

Wow - what a good movie. Everyone, regardless of political affiliation or belief should see this film. 5 stars!

[decadecadeca]

Michael Moore is a piece of shit, socialist liar who should be shot for treason. So I think I'll pass on the bullshit propaganda mockumentary.........

[goliath]

Originally posted by decadecadeca
Michael Moore is a piece of shit, socialist liar who should be shot for treason. So I think I'll pass on the bullshit propaganda mockumentary.........

what makes you say that? questioning your government is now considered treason? what lies were told in the film?

[decadecadeca]

Questioning your government is not treason, giving aid to those who wish it harm is.

Michael Moore in his previous "documentaries" as well as this one has been proven to falsify text from interviews, recreate and stage events for dramatic effect, and conveniently edit quotes and on camera clips in order to slant topics. He is also an admitted supporter of communist and socialist ideology, and has stated on numerous occasions that he hates even the democratic party that now supports him because they're not LIBERAL ENOUGH!

[MuGGsy]

michael moore is such a fat waste of sperm.

[THE BOUNCER]

Christ goliath, you should have known this thread was gonna bring on yet one more pissing match. lol. I will watch it when it comes out on DVD.

[goliath]

Originally posted by decadecadeca
Questioning your government is not treason, giving aid to those who wish it harm is.

Michael Moore in his previous "documentaries" as well as this one has been proven to falsify text from interviews, recreate and stage events for dramatic effect, and conveniently edit quotes and on camera clips in order to slant topics. He is also an admitted supporter of communist and socialist ideology, and has stated on numerous occasions that he hates even the democratic party that now supports him because they're not LIBERAL ENOUGH!

i agree that some of the tactics in his past movies are certainly questionable, if not downright dishonest. however, this film was much more fact than opinion. i'm not a michael moore fan by any means. but i strongly disagree that he is a "peice of shit socialist liar" - he is a very liberal guy with an agenda. he wants bush out of the white house. as i said, this film is very much fact, and anyone who cares about this country owes it to themselves and the U.S. to watch it. some of us have our own views on the war in iraq that oppose michael moores, but those that oppose it should see the film if for no other reason than to have a better understanding of the opposing view point.

i would still like you to prove where he falsified text or 'staged' events from this film.

[goliath]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
Christ goliath, you should have known this thread was gonna bring on yet one more pissing match. lol. I will watch it when it comes out on DVD.

lol - you know me. if it gets out of hand i'll lock it.

[goliath]

Originally posted by MuGGsy
michael moore is such a fat waste of sperm.

why is that? he has a belief and he is doing his best to get his message out to people. he is exercising one of the rights that make this country so great. what have you done (besides throw ignorant insults around on internet chat boards)?

[spike1205]

Originally posted by decadecadeca
Michael Moore is a piece of shit, socialist liar who should be shot for treason. So I think I'll pass on the bullshit propaganda mockumentary.........

is it treason to follow the very basis of our country..freedom of speech and religion? questioning government is what halped this nation become more than just english colonies. Hell jefferson beleived in a revolutoin every couple of generations..to speak out against the leaders of our country if you believe their acts to be wrong, immoral or illegal is teh very nature of our country...its what we are out there fighting for for others right now...blind following of a leader without questioning motives = tyranny, which is exactly what we are "supposedly " fighting.

whether or not you agree with moore is irrelevant when it comes to his right to show his movie, and is certainly irrelevant when it comes to treason. The american who took up arms in afghanistan agaisnt us is guilty of treason, morre is exercising his 1st amendment right. All you uber-conservatives out there trying to keep people from seeing this movie are helping promote anyway so keep it up

p.s. i have not seen it yet, i am registered republican, i just dont appreciate a president who lies, still undecided on my vote for this fall

[spike1205]

Originally posted by MuGGsy
michael moore is such a fat waste of sperm.

he is fat ....

[blm]

I don't agree with everything that Moore has to say or some of his tactics. However, he does present a lot of valid and thought provoking information. How can something that provokes thought/debate be a bad thing? If soomeone doe not believe what he is presenting and it prompts them to search for what they believe to be as the truth, then I think Moore has done something bebeficial for this country. It would be foolish to accept everything he presents as a fact, but if you question it and search for answers then he did his job.

[trip]

Well said, blm, very well.

Agree.

[meat12]

Originally posted by blm
I don't agree with everything that Moore has to say or some of his tactics. However, he does present a lot of valid and thought provoking information. How can something that provokes thought/debate be a bad thing? If soomeone doe not believe what he is presenting and it prompts them to search for what they believe to be as the truth, then I think Moore has done something bebeficial for this country. It would be foolish to accept everything he presents as a fact, but if you question it and search for answers then he did his job.

Though I really dislike Michael Moore I have to agree with you blm

[Primal Instinct]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

- President Theodore Roosevelt

[JUICE]

i gotta go and see it this week, sounds ok

[MuGGsy]

Moore uses alot of peoples stories (which are very sad not to come across mean to those who have sufferred) to manipulate peoples views on actual facts. That having been said I haven't seen this movie so I won't comment on it, this is just what I've seen in past interviews with him. I'll go watch the film and keep quiet until I get back :p

[spidey]

NBC recently did a "Facts check" on the claims made in the movie. Some of the things like interviews with soldiers and stuff are undeniable but there were also a lot of very questionable things. For instance, he ambushed some congressmen to ask them if they would send their sons to fight in Iraq. When a congressman gave him an answer he didn't like, he didn't include it in the film. Instead he only showed the first part of the contact in an effort to make the congressman look confused and rattled. In fact, the congressman had talked about how proud he was of his nephew who was over there fighting. That was disingenuous and is just the sort of thing Michael Moore is known for. He portrayed soldiers in the film as callous, cruel animals; the classic "baby-killer" image from Vietnam. Nothing could be farther from the truth. He claims in the movie that Bin Laden family members were rushed out of the country before they could be questioned about 9/11 but the FBI directly contradicts that claim. There were several other points made by the NBC fact checking team but I can't remember them.

The "documentary" is extremely slanted and it's purpose is to villify Bush and anyone who supports him OR the Iraq war. This is not just my opinion but words from his own mouth. I will not bother to watch it as I already know what to expect from MM. Why would I go watch a movie that mixes outright lies with little bits of truth and half-truths so completely as to make them nearly indistinguishable from each other. I have better things to do with my time.

Michael Moore is a lying sack of shit that I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire.

[spike1205]

Originally posted by spidey
He claims in the movie that Bin Laden family members were rushed out of the country before they could be questioned about 9/11 but the FBI directly contradicts that claim. There were several other points made by the NBC fact checking team but I can't remember them.

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i don't know where they got those "facts" from, the bin laden family left on the first flights out of the US, i believe on 9/13, its in the 9-11 report

other than that no one is arguing that the movie doesnt have a slant...

[Racer814]

its a political ad....nothing more..it's dismissive at best....michael's distaste for republicans is well documented...it may have some truth to it but its true intent is to show the Bush administration in a bad light...he wants another liberal in office......

[goliath]

Originally posted by Racer814
its true intent is to show the Bush administration in a bad light...

not to difficult to do that now is it? the truth hurts, bud. especially in regards to a white house that is running this country into the ground.

[Racer814]

Originally posted by goliath
not to difficult to do that now is it? the truth hurts, bud. especially in regards to a white house that is running this country into the ground.

its never too difficult to show anything you want in a bad light bud when you control all the elements of the argument.....there are no truth police in hollywood to check whether everything presented is factual ....could have made a 6 hour mini series of clintons ineptitude.....btw....how many times in the movie does it talk about clinton's administration and their failure to do anything about the bin laden?....dont be naive...the terrorist problem has been simmering through several presidents...

[lxorl]

it was a decent movie... atleast it was though t provoking.... you just have to keep in mind that it has been edited to fit someones agenda, and while most of it is truth, you have to question to what degree.

he showed some good clips of bush making an idiot of himself.

I am a liberal republican.... fyi

[spike1205]

Originally posted by Racer814
its never too difficult to show anything you want in a bad light bud when you control all the elements of the argument.....there are no truth police in hollywood to check whether everything presented is factual ....could have made a 6 hour mini series of clintons ineptitude.....btw....how many times in the movie does it talk about clinton's administration and their failure to do anything about the bin laden?....dont be naive...the terrorist problem has been simmering through several presidents...

why do all bush supporter's automatically use the "clinton defense" whenever someone comment's negatively on Bush. Clinton is/was a lying scumbag, but this has no bearing on BUsh's policy or war mongering.

its shifting the blame, and is poor argument.. at least defend bush with an argument why his actions were well intentioned or something

[jaypee]

The "documentary" is extremely slanted and it's purpose is to villify Bush and anyone who supports him OR the Iraq war.

It's my understanding that documentaries are always slanted and always have been.