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Primal Instinct · #1 07-23-04, 04:38 AM

I don't know if any of you had seen or heard anything about this on the mainstream media news (not very much coverage on this story) but I have seen a family from the flight interviewed on MSNBC's Scarborough Country. I can't stand Joe Scarborough but this was an excellent segment and I believe the two guests were being honest and straightforward.

There was a recent disturbing incident on Flt 327 from Detroit to LAX on July 15th of this month. Keep in mind that this is a fully fueled transcontinental flight and that the questionable passengers (14 of them- all from Syria- on expired visas) were all using one-way tickets. I'll let you decide what to think about all of this.

Flt 327 Detroit - LAX incident

I can definitely say without a doubt that there certainly WOULD be trouble if I was onboard that flight and there probably would have been some type of confrontation. Perhaps this was a good thing that I was not onboard. I'm fucking pissed off about this- assuming that it's true, which I believe it is. Any thoughts on this story?

GearTripper · #2 07-23-04, 04:46 AM

i'd be right beside you if i were on that flight. no way in hell would i let shit like that slide.

CreepingDeath · #3 07-23-04, 06:39 AM

sad......but it's only a matter of time until another 9/11. God forbid we offend some shit eating muslims(the bad ones) that want to whipe our country off the face of the earth

***THE BOUNCER*** · #4 07-23-04, 08:32 AM

I saw that on CNN yesterday. There story about being band players did check out though. They played in LA in some concert.

Primal Instinct · #5 07-23-04, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
I saw that on CNN yesterday. There story about being band players did check out though. They played in LA in some concert.

Yeah but that doesn't mean that they aren't doing a "dry run" to check security protocols. The CIA had/has plenty of spies who hold one profession yet also work for them in the capacity of undercover work. Famous US spies later retired from service included Chuck Barris (CIA Assassin) host from the Gongshow and other stupid TV game show programs and Julia Childs (OSS-WWII era predecessor to modern CIA) the 80+ year old cook on TV. It's not an unreasonable assumption that these men could be double agents, so to speak. What other reasonable cover could they use to get 14 men all of the same ethnic background on the SAME airliner that knew each other. It surely raises caution flags, in my book.

I'll be taking two trips by air in the next month and a half, one of them being on Labor Day weekend. If I see funky shit like that happening on board and in-flight, you can bet that I'm going to say something about it. I'm also going to take digital pics of those fuckers too. You can further bet that I would definitely take action if these people were told to return to their seats and ignored the flight attendants. I don't care if it's just me against five guys or whatever. If a physical confrontation does take place, I'm fucking some of them up badly. They're going to hope there's an air marshall onboard to save their asses. I just won't stand for that shit and I'll take my chances in court later...

Passengers are not subjected to the same rules of engagement as the airlines personnel or air marshalls. We can do things (such as verbal confrontation) that they can't do and I don't want to wait until 3 or 4 people are dead in the aisle before they make an effort. When I travel by air now, I usually carry big zip ties on my travel bag. You just never know anymore when you might need stuff like that.

Timma · #6 07-23-04, 09:21 AM

But what the fuck did he tell the guy no for? I would have fucking freaked.

Julia Child was a spy? Fuck.

***THE BOUNCER*** · #7 07-23-04, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Primal Instinct
Yeah but that doesn't mean that they aren't doing a "dry run" to check security protocols. The CIA had/has plenty of spies who hold one profession yet also work for them in the capacity of undercover work. Famous US spies later retired from service included Chuck Barris (CIA Assassin) host from the Gongshow and other stupid TV game show programs and Julia Childs (OSS-WWII era predecessor to modern CIA) the 80+ year old cook on TV. It's not an unreasonable assumption that these men could be double agents, so to speak. What other reasonable cover could they use to get 14 men all of the same ethnic background on the SAME airliner that knew each other. It surely raises caution flags, in my book.

I'll be taking two trips by air in the next month and a half, one of them being on Labor Day weekend. If I see funky shit like that happening on board and in-flight, you can bet that I'm going to say something about it. I'm also going to take digital pics of those fuckers too. You can further bet that I would definitely take action if these people were told to return to their seats and ignored the flight attendants. I don't care if it's just me against five guys or whatever. If a physical confrontation does take place, I'm fucking some of them up badly. They're going to hope there's an air marshall onboard to save their asses. I just won't stand for that shit and I'll take my chances in court later...

Passengers are not subjected to the same rules of engagement as the airlines personnel or air marshalls. We can do things (such as verbal confrontation) that they can't do and I don't want to wait until 3 or 4 people are dead in the aisle before they make an effort. When I travel by air now, I usually carry big zip ties on my travel bag. You just never know anymore when you might need stuff like that.

I agree and would do the same thing.

decadecadeca · #8 07-23-04, 09:24 AM

Been following that story for a while now. And there is a security brief from london about this being the new route the terrorists are taking. Smuggling individual items aboard and making the IED in flight. The part that bothered me the most was the 4 Air Marshals on the flight did nothing at all. The reason was the men never interrupted the flight or crew. On 9/11 the terrorists said they just wanted the planes and no one would get hurt if they complied. I don't think they'll say anything the next time because no one would go for it now. They'll just blow the fucking plane and never say a word.

I'm afraid I would be in deep shit if I was on that flight. I think I at least would've got up and elbowed my way in line to see what the fuck they were leaving in the bathroom, if anything. And most likely if they were looking that squirrelly I would have stood up at some point and told them to sit down and piss your pants, no more bathroom for you Ahmed. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, ya know....

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sana · #10 07-23-04, 09:49 AM

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***THE BOUNCER*** · #11 07-23-04, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by decadecadeca
sit down and piss your pants, no more bathroom for you Ahmed.

***THE BOUNCER*** · #12 07-23-04, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by decadecadeca
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sana · #13 07-23-04, 09:57 AM

i wonder how many seatbelt extenders the flight attendant had to get for that.

i'm the person who passes out as soon as i get on the plane and never watch shit around me - i'm not nosey like that. so if i'm dead i'm dead - it was mean to be. why sit there for 4, 5 or even 12 hours worrying about a possibility of death?

***THE BOUNCER*** · #14 07-23-04, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by sana
why sit there for 4, 5 or even 12 hours worrying about a possibility of death?

you know me babe. i wouldnt be sitting there. i almost get up every time i see anyone with dark skin walk by. come to think about it, i almost tackled the little old chinese lady on the last flight.

MuGGsy · #15 07-23-04, 10:09 AM

I get bad feelings flying anymore, it's not the same. This story just reinforces those feelings to me, this shit is ridiculas. I would NEVER stand by with something like that, it's not in my nature to sit around risk getting slaughtered.

Cannons · #16 07-23-04, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by sana
i wonder how many seatbelt extenders the flight attendant had to get for that.

i'm the person who passes out as soon as i get on the plane and never watch shit around me - i'm not nosey like that. so if i'm dead i'm dead - it was mean to be. why sit there for 4, 5 or even 12 hours worrying about a possibility of death?

I'm pretty relaxed unless something suspicious like that is going on. In that case, I'm not going to sit there and die, I'm going down fighting!!! However, in that type of situation, you'd have to be sure that you had others on the plane to back you up, those terrorists are pretty slick! Makes me sick!

Curls4dGirls · #17 07-23-04, 10:59 AM

I fly weekly for biz, so I think about this often.

My main concern is around the emergency exits. What prevents someone from popping the emergency exit while flying over a major city?

Think about it in the context of this story. Several people in the front of the plane (emergency exit). Several people in the back (emergency exit). Two to pop the door, the others to hold back passengers, air marshalls, etc.

decadecadeca · #18 07-23-04, 11:22 AM

I might be wrong but there should be safeguards in place above a certain altitude and speed to prevent that. And if not the O2 masks would drop and you'd ride it out. Explosive decompression doesn't happen as easily as the movies make it out.

There are plenty of military aircraft that aren't pressurized or insulated at all at altitude. They make HAHO/HALO jumps from them all the time. Cold and loud as fuck.

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beefcake · #19 07-23-04, 11:36 AM

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MuGGsy · #20 07-23-04, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by beefcake
Isn't that magnus samuelson's brother and zydrunas savickas?

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spidey · #22 07-23-04, 12:07 PM

Pretty fucking scary. I don't know what I would have done if that was me, my wife, and my 4 yr old son. I think I would have been getting into that bathroom and searching the shit out of it. One against 14, I would have likely gotten the shit beat out of me but I promise you, I would not make it easy. I would deal with the jury later.

hitmansb · #23 07-23-04, 12:23 PM

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I flew to Las Vegas a couple of months after 9/11, and that was pretty much the policy of the airline I flew on. My friend and I were seated right behind the cockpit doors...across the aisle were two other big dudes. Behind us, big dudes as well; they were intentionally seating guys who looked like they could kick some ass up at the front as a measure of added security. And, I gotta tell you...looking myself and the other 7 occupying the first two rows...there aren't 8 skinny little sand jockeys on the planet that could have hijacked that plane.