Fing Kids

[The_Jarhead]

Big difference dumb ass.
The dog was humanly put to sleep because no body would take it mainly due to the injuries it suffered.
Nobody said “hey since no-one wants this dog lets torture it till it dies, and to make it even more fun lets video tape it.”

So you don’t think it’s right to kill these mentally deranged monsters (and yes they are anyone who would do some thing like that is.), but it’s ok to torture them and maim them. You sire need to have you head examined.

[realconan]

Um, actually they never proved that the dog they put to sleep was the same dog that was hit with the skateboard. Read the article at the beginning of this thread. They don't actually know if the dog is dead or not.

And to quote, "Big difference dumbass" There's a difference between punishment and torture. In some countries they cut off your hand if you are caught stealing. Not torture, punishment. If you're going to do something stupid, than expect punishment. And yes punishment is preferable to death.

Examine your own head. Your arguement is pathetic.

[The_Jarhead]

Originally posted by realconan
Rip out their fingernails one at a time...yes.

Reread your own post.

This is not punishment. This is torture.

[The_Jarhead]

Oh and I’m not just being a start ass either.
If you think it’s better to torture a mentally deranged lunatic then remove him from existence so he can no longer harm others then you really should seek professional help.

[realconan]

I understand now. You don't recognize sarcasm when you see it. I should have considered the intelligence level of who I was responding to. I was trying to make the point that it would be more appropriate to punish them physically than kill them. I guess according to you, you should be "removed." Killing two teenagers for torturing a dog is fucking deranged. Take your own advice. What else you got?

I'm interested to know what you think would be acceptable punishment. Death? Please explain. Since when is it torture to inflict physical punishment? I'll admit that it's easy to go overboard. Punishment should be fair and meeted out with restraint, but physical punishment is not torture.

[realconan]

Originally posted by bad14u
They should endure the same shit that they put on that animal and then gutted and put on display for people to see! ...they would have paid with their own lives and buried on my property or sent through the wood chipper while they were still alive!

An example of torture. Feeling no remorse for killing a human for a misdemeanor is fucked up.

[Megiddo]

Let's see here, RC, you say that it is cool to puit down unwanted animals right? Well what about unwanted children? Shouldn't we put them down as well?

[The_Jarhead]

The point is someone who would do and as shown in the video enjoy doing something like this is mentally deranged. They have issues that will not be fixed by punishment. They are mentally ill and yes they should be removed.

But by what your saying instead of having these mentally ill people put to death they should have physical pain inflicted on them and then released back into the world to contemplate what they did wrong.

[realconan]

Megiddo

When did I say it was cool to put down unwanted animals? I said it was cruel if that's what you mean. Which means something entirely different. The fact that you're comparing dogs to children is really really really really really really fucked up. Emphasis on "fucked up."

The_Jughead

That is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Punishment gives people a chance to learn from their mistakes. If punishment is a waste of time, why the fuck do we have a justice system? Why not just cut off everyone's head who does something stupid. Holy shit dude. You can't just pronounce a death sentence on someone who does something that you find extremely offensive. That's called vigilante justice. Which, of course, is also a crime. They should be punished because they did something wrong, not because they offended your sensibilities. And they did do something wrong so they will be punished. If we were talking about a murderer, I would agree with you. If you take a HUMAN life intentionally, than you forfeit your own life. But we're talking about A FRIGGIN DOG!! What's more, they didn't even kill the thing. How is it just to execute them? At least give them the chance to learn from their mistakes. You ought to be glad your parents didn't think the same way you do or you may have been extinguished long before now. Or maybe they did and that's why you're slightly screwed up in your sense of justice. If what you said is true and we should just end their lives because of cruelty to an animal, then their punishment would be disproportionate to their crimes a thousand times over. That's ridiculous.

[The_Jarhead]

you are missing the whole point that these kids did not just do something wrong. we are not talking about a kid that shoplifted a candybar. They are mentaly ill. It has been proven time and time again that there is no way to rehabilitate the mentally ill. so either we put them to death or lock them in a cell by them self for the rest of thier life. Personlly I think it's more humane to just kill them. But for reason you thik phisically abuseing them will help. When in fact 99% of the time that is what cause the damage in the first place.

And if you really think that just be cause they stopped short of actaully killing makes it any better then you really don't see the point. At least by killing it the would have enned the missery. instead the choose to let the animal suffer.

The part the really is bad a bout what your saying is that you don't seem to understand that this is start of things worse to come. when the torturing animlas is no longer fun to them. They WILL start doing to people. (provent fact read any phyc book on the subject) They may turn into serial killers but they will mentally and/or physicaly abuse people in the future.

OH and BTW name calling adds such a nice touch to you point.

[realconan]

Originally posted by The_Jarhead
They are mentaly ill. It has been proven time and time again that there is no way to rehabilitate the mentally ill.... when the torturing animlas is no longer fun to them. They WILL start doing to people. (provent fact read any phyc book on the subject)

Where are you getting your information? Your ass? I'm not missing the point at all. Please don't assume I'm not able to understand what you're trying to say. I see your point and completely reject it as bullshit. If nothing is done to stop that behavior then you're right. But you're way the fuck off base when you say that "there is no way to rehabilitate the mentally ill." Show me the book you found that in. Proven fact my ass. If that were true, than every shrink on the planet is wasting their time. I'm not in favor of abusing children. Punishment does not equal abuse. How are kids supposed to learn if there are no consequences for this type of behavior? And why should they change that behavior if nothing is done to show them it is wrong or if they never have to face punishment for their actions? Who says they're mentally ill anyway? Guaranteed they've never been disciplined. Any child without discipline is going to do stupid things like that. So, show them discipline, punish them and they will learn. You know right from wrong. How did you learn that? From watching TV or reading comic books? Of course not. You learned it by watching your parents. And you don't need a phsych book to prove that. It's not a coincidence that children end up doing the same things their parents did. Whether good or bad they learn from their parents. Going psycho on their asses is not the answer.

[spidey]

Jarhead - what you are suggesting is blatently rediculous. Should we execute everyone you deem mentally ill? Who gets to judge who is mentally ill, you? I assume you at least have a doctorate in psychiatry. What about the clinically depressed? Should we kill them too? I guess I have to die since I take antidepressant medication.

I don't think the video proves they are mentally ill. Cruel behavior doesn't always indicate mental illness. Sometimes people are just flat out MEAN. They beat a DOG. They didn't kill it (the state did that); they clobbered it a couple times. For that they should DIE?? THat is the dumbest thing I think I have ever heard. It was wrong. It was cruel and they should pay for what they did. Maybe they should be clobbered upside the head with a skateboard a couple times but beating a dog should not be a capital offence. That is just stupid.

And you are just flat out wrong with your assertion that there is no way to rehabilitate mentally ill people. It is done every day with the help of antidepressant or antipsycotic drugs and therapy. You are also overgeneralizing (a classic logical fallacy) when you assert that they WILL move on to people if left unchecked. Not everyone who hurts an animal decides to hurt people later (although some do). There is no iron-clad indicator of what any person will do; no crystal ball. If that were so, we could arrest those teens for crimes yet uncomitted. But there isn't, so we can't.

[bad14u]

Originally posted by realconan
An example of torture. Feeling no remorse for killing a human for a misdemeanor is fucked up.

That may be fucked up but that is how I am when I see or hear about animals being abused!

[spidey]

Oh, wait a minute; I just realized something.

You can't have a doctorate in psychiatry because, well, mentally ill people can't be helped. Why would any sane person go into a profession that is trying to do the impossible. Gasp, THAT'S IT. Psychiatrists must not be sane. Therefore, they are mentally ill and should all be killed.

KILL ALL THE SHRINKS. KILL, KILL, KIIIIIILLLLL

[realconan]

Originally posted by bad14u
That may be fucked up but that is how I am when I see or hear about animals being abused!

That's the problem. You freak out when a cute wittew doggie gets beat. I'm betting that dogs don't have these kinds of conversations. Animals don't sit around discussing ethics. They may appear smart because they can be trained, but how do you train a dog? With food. They want the damn food. They sleep, eat, shit and pee on stuff. That's about it. They're loyal to their owner because their owner feeds them. Stop feeding a dog and it will die because it's not smart enough to find food for itself. That's just the way it is. Now I think dogs are awesome. But they're not human beings. Therefore it's pathetic to flip out over one.

[The_Jarhead]

Originally posted by realconan
Going psycho on their asses is not the answer.

But you said it was a good idea to pull thier finger nails off one at a time. You don't think that is going psycho on them.

Originally posted by realconan
Punishment does not equal abuse.

Your methods of punishment you listewd are abuse.

Originally posted by realconan
Any child without discipline is going to do stupid things like that.

You're kidding right? You think that if some one is "disciplined" goint enjoy beeting animals?

Originally posted by spidey
Who gets to judge who is mentally ill, you?
You are also overgeneralizing

No you are overgeneralizing. There is diferance between someone with depression and a psychopath. Do not put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by spidey
Maybe they should be clobbered upside the head with a skateboard a couple times but beating a dog should not be a capital offence. They beat a DOG. They didn't kill it (the state did that); they clobbered it a couple times.

The fact that you think these kids are not psychotic but it would be ok to brutaly beat them is a bit scary. The fact they they enjoyed (laughed and joked) beating an animal proves that they are psychotic.

Originally posted by spidey
I don't think the video proves they are mentally ill. And you are just flat out wrong with your assertion that there is no way to rehabilitate mentally ill people. It is done every day with the help of antidepressant or antipsycotic drugs and therapy.

again there is a diferance between the two and antipsycotics do not rehabilitate. When something is rehabilitated there is nolonger a problem.

This is not a case of some who abused aan animal by underfeeding it or not cleaning it enough. These kids brutaly beat a dog and laughed about it. This ia text book antisocial psychotic behavoir.

[The_Jarhead]

Originally posted by realconan
They may appear smart because they can be trained, but how do you train a dog? With food. They want the damn food. They sleep, eat, shit and pee on stuff. That's about it. They're loyal to their owner because their owner feeds them.

OK you have to be kiding?
You do not train a dog or any animal just be food it is done with positive reinforcement. THe same way you train (get this) a child. In fact the most well trained (police and military) dogs are not trained with food at all.

Originally posted by realconan
Stop feeding a dog and it will die because it's not smart enough to find food for itself. That's just the way it is.

You do realize there there wild dogs right? you can't really belive that dogs do know enough to eat for them self.

Originally posted by realconan
But they're not human beings. Therefore it's pathetic to flip out over one.

Let me make sure I understand what you just said. you should only be upset over the mistreating of a human being. So nothing else matters.

[realconan]

I'll repeat myself...again. I made that remark about pulling out the fingernails to illustrate the point that it would be better to punish them physically then kill them. Apparently you're only remembering the parts of the conversation that you can take out of context and twist around.

Can you fucking read? Or do I speak Greek? Any child WITHOUT discipline is going to do stupid stuff like that. WITHOUT not "with."

Hitting the damn dog twice constitutes a brutal beating? Hogwash.

Fiction: Killing someone is the proper punishment for beating a dog.

Fact: Killing someone is more severe than beating them. I'm not condoning abuse. But a beating is better than a beheading.

Fiction: Mental problems will never go away.

Fact: Problems can be corrected. Mental illness isn't a death sentence.

Scary is someone who thinks it's better to just eliminate people with problems instead of trying to help them. Who's to say that you won't be one of those people some day? What happens when you're the one to be eliminated? And how did you arrive at the conclusion that you're not mentally ill yourself? Condemning the mentally ill to death isn't the work of a phychopath? You must be smoking your breakfast, boy. You're proposing that we euthanize everyone who isn't perfect. That's been tried before. And 6 million Jews were killed in the process. Not to mention the millions more who lost their lives because of that little megalomaniac bastard. Hitler was a phsycopath. You and he would have been good friends. And yes I'm putting words in your mouth.

[realconan]

What the fuck? Positive reinforcement WITH WHAT.......FUCKING FOOD!!!!!!! That is by far the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard. Try this. Tell the dog he's fucking stupid, but say it with a smile on your face in a cheerful, loving tone and it won't know the fucking difference. Dogs are not children. Words excape me to describe how stupid you have to be to believe that there is no difference.

Wild dogs huh? DID THEY BEAT A WILD DOG?!?! No, they beat a domesticated animal.

And what's wrong with saying that human beings matter infinitely more than animals? Who domesticated who?

[The_Jarhead]

I guess there is no point in continueing this converation since you are just going to continue to (as you said) put words in my mouth, make up things that I said and twist them around.

[The_Jarhead]

Originally posted by realconan
What the fuck? Positive reinforcement WITH WHAT.......FUCKING FOOD!!!!!!! That is by far the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard.

You have obvoisly never trained and animal then.

[realconan]

Originally posted by The_Jarhead
I guess there is no point in continueing this converation since you are just going to continue to (as you said) put words in my mouth, make up things that I said and twist them around.

Well, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Someone must have opened a can of dumbass on you as a child. Child abuse should include raising a child who can't think for themselves. And you're right, what's the point of continuing a conversation when I'm the only one who can articulate themself with proper grammer and correct spelling? You're pathetic.

[meat12]

you all need to

[realconan]

Seriously, try telling a dog that it's friggin retarded but with a "positive reinforcement" expression on your face and a "positive reinforcement" tone in your voice and see what happens. I've done it before and the dog just wagged her tail and licked my hand. I call my friend's black lab a "dumb doggy" in a "positive reinforcement" kind of way and he wags his tail and slobbers all over me. Dogs read body language. But I'm sure you already knew that.