Doc gives me more bad news - SuperiorMuscle.com

Pumpdogg · #1 03-21-05, 04:12 PM

I don't have the greatest record with my doctors, my cholesterol is always screwed up even with meds, my liver enzymes are usually elevated even with supps, my test levels are the only thing normal and that is because of HRT. Anyways my wife has wanted to have another baby, and we have tried like countless others without success, so I get my sperm count checked and it was 0. Zip nodda nothin.

The lady was surprised when she read the results. lol.. Just another day in the life of Pdogg!

Are there any supplements that will help increase the actual sperm and not just the amount of ejaculate? Just wonderin

PD

lookin 4 juice · #2 03-21-05, 04:27 PM

http://www.urologychannel.com/malein...ernative.shtml

http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Inform...nfertility.htm

Pumpdogg · #3 03-21-05, 06:46 PM

Thanks informative reads

PD

Stonecold54 · #4 03-21-05, 06:47 PM

holy crap....zero???

CiViC SpiKeS · #5 03-21-05, 07:39 PM

Damnn 0

pierced one · #6 03-21-05, 11:07 PM

do you think it is from the gear use?

How old are you PD?

Ill sell you some of mine, they are just goin to waste everyday anyway.

Pumpdogg · #7 03-22-05, 07:53 AM

Yeah boys they said 0. I ask it that was possible and if they were sure, they assured me it was right. I have to go wank off in a cup again at the end of the week for another check.

Pierced one, I am 30 and think allot of my problems are from gear use of my 20's. Back in the day as I call it, I did not have the resources that we all have here now, and I have said it b4 I made some very bad decisions just not knowing and not caring a whole lot.

I'm not sure as i don't keep a record but the last cycle of real juice was about a year and half ago, BUT I did do a 4 weeker of M1T and 4AD in December of 04. I am thinking that could have something to do with it.

It takes sperm like 74 days to develop to maturity so I don't know what the deal is, I should be recovered from the m1t and 4ad.

Time will tell boys, I will keep you all updated on the lack of my swimmers

lol

PD

pierced one · #8 03-22-05, 08:53 AM

good luck man. kinda makes me think about what im doing now.

dont want kids now but someday it would be nice.

Scrumhalf · #9 03-22-05, 09:39 AM

Do you wear jockeys or boxers? If you wear jockeys, you may want to consider switching to boxers.

The testicles need to be at about 2C lower temperature than the rest of your body for sperm production and I have read about cases where jockeys were so confining that they raised the temperature of the testicles and caused infertility.

Pumpdogg · #10 03-22-05, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Scrumhalf
Do you wear jockeys or boxers? If you wear jockeys, you may want to consider switching to boxers.

The testicles need to be at about 2C lower temperature than the rest of your body for sperm production and I have read about cases where jockeys were so confining that they raised the temperature of the testicles and caused infertility.

I researched quit a bit last night about the whole issue and I read that it really did not make a difference in sperm counts when they did a study on boxers vs briefs. I have always heard what you mentioned about the underwear, and had already switched to boxers to see if it made a difference. With a sperm count of 0, it does not appear (boxers) to be doing much for me at the moment, however it may take time to make a difference.

PD

BENCH355ANIMAL · #11 03-22-05, 01:10 PM

Zinc and CoQ10 have been shown to increase sperm count.

Check out these links bro.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C340376.html

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/hc/reso...41,538,00.html

shortz · #12 03-22-05, 02:58 PM

When dealing with a count of zero, you know your function is down to nothing too. This is probably the reason so many things are out of wack.

A commonly prescribed alternative to HRT is the use of Hcg. This is more of a way to get sperm count up too. Studies have shown that some users experienced an increase in sperm and test production and after 6 months, the majority experienced the the same.

Hcg is very safe and not expensive. I would start there.

As for the use of ZMA and other herbal stuff, none of them are going to be potent enough to kick start the testes after being down for so long.

Pumpdogg · #13 03-22-05, 03:44 PM

Hey shortz I was thinking today that I probably need to come off of the androgel, reasoning that it suppresses me just like being on a cycle. I am going to talk to my urologist and my endo about this issue. I don't see my endo until May, and my urologist thinks I am too young for HRT anyways ( he is kinda a prick) so I doubt he will prescribe such for me. My only hope is through my endo, I don't have the resources that I once did for things like HCG... but I am going to ask around locally in the next few days and see what I come up with.

It really gripes my cheeks too, because my urologist always make reference to the fact that I used to cycle steroids and that this is all my fault blah blah blah, and the dude does not think I need HRT, because I am "to young". People like him are dangerous in the medical field.

Thanks for the help y'all

PD

Stonecold54 · #14 03-22-05, 05:24 PM

damn 74 days to mature? When I am on cycle I off load sometimes more than twice a day (I am sure you all wanted to know but I have no shame

). Maybe I need to start saving up now for a few days down the road lol.

Pumpdogg · #15 03-22-05, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by stonecold54
damn 74 days to mature? When I am on cycle I off load sometimes more than twice a day (I am sure you all wanted to know but I have no shame ). Maybe I need to start saving up now for a few days down the road lol.

PD

Primal Instinct · #16 03-24-05, 02:34 AM

Did they repeat the test? Surely there must be at least one little squiggly swimming around in there?

Pumpdogg · #17 03-24-05, 03:12 PM

I will repeat on Monday of next week. Tryin to see if there are in little fella's in there. I will update on tuesday when I get the results again.

PD

BBAddict · #18 03-24-05, 03:40 PM

PD, do you know if a doc that prescribes Androgel would also prescribe something analagous to PCT?

Pumpdogg · #19 03-24-05, 07:22 PM

My endo told me when I first met with him that when I wanted to have children he would give me something for that. I have never bothered to ask what he would prescribe, but I see him in May and we are going to talk about it in great detail then. I only see my endo every 4-5 months and he is hard to get into see, so I am just going to have to wait until then. I could locate some HCG and get clomid from our board sponsor... I dunno what to do really. At times I think I should self medicate and give myself the drugs and at others I am afraid to do it in fear that one of my docs my find the drugs in my system and then refuse to give me proper meds. Maybe its just a little paranoia.

PD

shortz · #20 03-25-05, 09:50 AM

^^^I think you should wait and see what the doc does for you. If he decides to let it go because of you not wanting kids at the moment, I would def try the Hcg. The longer you go without trying to get your naturaly levels back, the harder it may be down the road. I think you should cycle on and off Hcg in the latter case, probably 3-4 months on, 3 months off, just to save money.

bonebreaker · #21 03-25-05, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Pumpdogg
Hey shortz I was thinking today that I probably need to come off of the androgel, reasoning that it suppresses me just like being on a cycle. I am going to talk to my urologist and my endo about this issue. I don't see my endo until May, and my urologist thinks I am too young for HRT anyways ( he is kinda a prick) so I doubt he will prescribe such for me. My only hope is through my endo, I don't have the resources that I once did for things like HCG... but I am going to ask around locally in the next few days and see what I come up with.

It really gripes my cheeks too, because my urologist always make reference to the fact that I used to cycle steroids and that this is all my fault blah blah blah, and the dude does not think I need HRT, because I am "to young". People like him are dangerous in the medical field.

Thanks for the help y'all

PD

Hey Bro, you need a new doc. Doctors are supposed to help you, not be judgemental and hyper-critical. Tell him to "F" off and find a new one. BB

Pumpdogg · #22 03-25-05, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by bonebreaker
Hey Bro, you need a new doc. Doctors are supposed to help you, not be judgemental and hyper-critical. Tell him to "F" off and find a new one. BB

Yeah but with my HMO he is my only choice I think. Luckily my endo is a great little chipper man. He has no problem helping me like with the HRT and has never said anything negative to me about my past use of drugs. I have already started this process with my urologist, so I am just going to use his test and so forth until I see my endo in May, unless he steps off of his high horse and offters to help me. It would be nice to tell him to F off though.

I do have a question for anyone who may know..... Do you all think since I am on HRT that it may be a large part of the culprit? I was thinking that you need LSH and FSH if my memory serves me correct on the name of those hormones and since I am using exogenous hormone everyday, my body is producing little to none of those which again if my memory serves me right is needed for sperm. Kinda like being on juice lowers sperm count etc... I think I am in the same catergory as someone who uses and never cycles off. What do y'all think??

PD

imonboardtoo · #23 03-25-05, 08:47 PM

Dude - my advice (not a doctor, but i did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night!) is to be off everything and test again before you worry about having zero count.

chuckz28 · #24 03-30-05, 05:51 AM

Do you have a hot tub? I ask because if you sit in a hot tub often it kills your sperm count. I don't know if it would have enough to bring it down to zero but it makes a difference.
I learned this from a freind at work that was trying to have a baby. A doctor told him about hot tubs and a little while after stopping hot tubs they were able to conceive.
hope this helps some. good luck with the retest.

Pumpdogg · #25 03-30-05, 08:42 AM

No hot tub bro, I am retesting today, was susposed to be on Monday but .... I will know for sure tomorrow.

PD

Pumpdogg · #26 04-05-05, 08:48 AM

Been away for a few days and have not been on line. My doctor called me yesterday and said he thinks I have steroli cell only syndrome which means that I am pretty much screwed if it is the case. I had another sperm count of 0. I am going to have my FSH LH and Test levels checked Wednesday to conform his diagnosis of "steroli cell only syndrome" or not. He told me that if my FSH was double what it should be then my body would not be responding to the hormone ( no feedback) and increasing levels to try and get me to produce sperm.

Do you think the cycle of m1t and 4ad in December could be causing this and or making it appear that I have this "steroli cell only syndrome"? I ask the doctor what causes it and he said it was genetic and the possibility of conception was low even with very aggressive procedures ( harvesting my sperm and in-vitro).

So there you have it boys.... we will see what the FSH levels show... if they are normal then I am inclined to think that the years of cycling off and on aas has been detrimental to the olé sack...

PD