Biblical Question

[Shibby]

I assume that cavemen came before Jesus. So at what point was the Adam and Eve story, and the church stories fabricated?

I only ask this, because I watched "Beyond 'The Di Vinci Code' " last night on the history channel and it just got me thinking.

[SkinnyGuy84]

im not an expert, but that story is just a fable used to show man that we are born into sin

[SkinnyGuy84]

just like a fairy tale ment to give a lesson life

[Shibby]

Man, I'm going to save you and anyone else the frustration. I'm not asking about the Di Vinci Code. I just don't believe in god, so I don't pay attention to those kinds of time lines. I was just curious.

[bad14u]

Originally posted by Shibby
I just don't believe in god, so I don't pay attention to those kinds of time lines. I was just curious.

Why ask about it if you don't believe in God? You know as well as everyone else here that politics and religion always start a heated arguement!

[Shibby]

I'm not trying to debate what's right to believe and all that. I think it's great to believe in something as long as it helps to make you a better person. I havn't found much reading on this, not that I have done extensive research. But here's where I'm confused. The whole story starts with the creation of Adam and Eve and goes on from there with the belief in god. That guy bringing down the 10 comandments to live by from a mountain. But cavemen lived in well caves. Not very civilized. I havn't read things about them believing/worshiping "God". Everyone is suppose to be decendents of Adam and Eve right? All the stories in the bibles talk about a more civilized life, with homes and store vendors and what not. Where did the christian belief get lost if it pre-dated cavemen?

[Shibby]

Originally posted by bad14u
Why ask about it if you don't believe in God? You know as well as everyone else here that politics and religion always start a heated arguement!

Umm, maybe to learn something. People believe so pationatly in christianity. Just to learn more about whey someone believes something they do.

[SkinnyGuy84]

everyone is not desendants of adam and eve its a story dude. and about moses and the 10 commandments, that took place in ancient egytp times, when there were pharoahs and all that good stuff

[bad14u]

Originally posted by Shibby
Just to learn more about whey someone believes something they do.

Most people are raised from childhood to believe in one or the other. If you are taught from birth that God created all then that is where most people develop their beliefs. If you were taught that evolution was how the earth and man-kind came about then you most likely will not believe in God.

[Shibby]

Ahh, I see. So the stories arn't suppose to coincide, right?

[bad14u]

Originally posted by Shibby
Ahh, I see. So the stories arn't suppose to coincide, right?

As far as I know but what the heck do I know? I had religion shoved down my throat as a kid and with my parents divorcing and getting remarried left and right I was introduced to several types of religion. I got sick of it but I kept my belief in God. I can't say whether or not who is right or wrong in religion. I have seen it all from just going to church and listening to the preacher and singing hyms to worship God, to snake handling, to drinking stricnyne(sp?) I do know that I never saw anything bad happen to anyone. Is it their faith in God that kept them from dying or was it God?

[Mr incredible]

the bible came about when people realised that through fear they could control people, fear of the devil was then incarnated for someones gain.

[bonebreaker]

Creationism vs. Evolution, um, um um. I'll say no more, other than the fact that I believe in the evolution theory of man. Creationism just doesn't add up in the time line of found fossils of our ancestors and the history, (time wise), of the Adam and Eve story, based on the age of the Earth etc. BB

[lookin 4 juice]

[quote]Originally posted by Shibby
[b]I assume that cavemen came before Jesus.




What hard proof is there that cavemen even exsisted?

[Scrumhalf]

Originally posted by lookin 4 juice
What hard proof is there that cavemen even exsisted? [/b]

Lots of remains of prehistoric humans and humanoids and radiocarbon dating....

[bad14u]

Originally posted by bonebreaker
Creationism vs. Evolution, um, um um. I'll say no more, other than the fact that I believe in the evolution theory of man. Creationism just doesn't add up in the time line of found fossils of our ancestors and the history, (time wise), of the Adam and Eve story, based on the age of the Earth etc. BB

In the beginning...since the beginning of time...before time began, so far back in the recesses of God's mind that we cannot and should not be able to, imagine it...which brings to mind the subject of how long the earth has been here, or how long there has been life on the earth....the theory of evolution suggests that the earth and life have been here for millions of years...those who want to believe that the Creation story, the story of Adam and Eve, is the Truth about how everything got started, these folks believe that in the beginning would refer to a time about ten thousand years ago...without going into lots of data that suggest evolution as the truth, I think we cannot say too often that both positions can be valid: the story of Adam and Eve contains the deepest of truths about God's creation, about what it is to be human, about humanity's relationship to the Creator...and this almighty and sovereign Creator could just as easily have created his beloved human race through evolution.

[spidey]

OK, let me see if I can break it down. First, let me say I am a scientist and do not suscribe to creationism. However, for those that do believe........

Adam and Eve were the first humans. Everyone, including cavemen and even Jesus himself (through his mother, Mary), decended from them. You ask at what point Christianity "made up" the story of Adam and Eve. Well, Christian beliefs extend to before the time of Jesus himself. Namely, the Old Testament. A more proper term would be Judeo-Christian Beliefs. Christianity is a derivative of Judaism. Indeed, Jesus himself was a Jew.

It kind of goes like this: Before Jesus, there was of course no Christianity. There was Judaism (several thousand years old at the time of Jesus' birth). In the time Jesus was on the earth, a group of people splintered off from main line Judaism and followed Jesus. After his death, the movement grew and evolved into what is today Christianity. Since the roots of Christianity lay in Judaism, the Jewish scriptures were (from the beginning) kept as sacred text. Even today, Christians still believe the Old Testament is part of the bible and is sacred/divinely inspired. In this way, Christianity reaches back in time from BEFORE Jesus was born. Thus, the story of Adam and Eve.

[Jordan]

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[JUICE]

sorry shibbster to hijack this thread but didnt wanna start a new one since this goes with the topic a bit.

Do u all believe in this guy, that hes gonna come one day and try to take over. The Anti-Christ.

http://members.aol.com/twarren13/antichr.html

http://religion-cults.com/antichrist/

as in do all religions talk about this in the books(bibles).

[lookin 4 juice]

Originally posted by JUICE
sorry shibbster to hijack this thread but didnt wanna start a new one since this goes with the topic a bit.

Do u all believe in this guy, that hes gonna come one day and try to take over. The Anti-Christ.

http://members.aol.com/twarren13/antichr.html

http://religion-cults.com/antichrist/

as in do all religions talk about this in the books(bibles).

I have read the bible a few times and there is no mention of an antichrist....there is the devil as stated in the book of revelation and jesus will battle the devil..... as for an antichrist in the form of a human.... dont think so.

[Pumpdogg]

Originally posted by lookin 4 juice
I have read the bible a few times and there is no mention of an antichrist....there is the devil as stated in the book of revelation and jesus will battle the devil..... as for an antichrist in the form of a human.... dont think so.

I The word "Antichrist " is used 4 different times in the bible and "Antichrists" is used once

1st John 2:18.......Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1st John 2:22.......Who is a liar that but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1st John 4:3..... And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2nd John 1:7........ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

All scripture is quoted from the King James Version.

PD

[lookin 4 juice]

well im goin to hell! ^^^

[blm]

Originally posted by lookin 4 juice
well im goin to hell! ^^^

Go to school instead and learn how to read, lol

[Puddles]

This is the best link I have on creation vs. evolution:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml


I've wondered if the 7 "days" it took God to create everything was translated wrong and days means a much greater amount of time, say a billion years. That would bring both theories a bit closer together.

I'm agnostic and don't really know what to believe.

[BBAddict]

Originally posted by Puddles
I'm agnostic and don't really know what to believe.

Yay Puddles, I'm so excited. I am religi