Time for me to hate on baseball again...

[Shibby]

Do they not do any kind of base running conditioning. I swear if they have to run more than on base, you would think they just ran a marathon. I was watching sports center the other day and a guy try to make and in the park HR. By the time he got to third he just kind of stumbled around the base and didn't even come close. Other than lineman and bodybuilders (I'm sure there's a few others but you get my point) how can you consider yourself and athlete if you can't run longer than 30 seconds.

[Stonecold54]

because the aerobic system takes 3-5 minutes to kick in...their ATP levels are probably just plummeting by the time they get to second base.

[rude]

I can't stand baseball, how people can sit down and watch that boring crap, is beyond me.

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by rude

I can't stand baseball, how people can sit down and watch that boring crap, is beyond me.

I am watching a very exciting Yankee game....they were down 6-0 and they have come back so far in the eighth inning to 6-3...they have a runner on 1st and 3rd with 2 ours...

[rude]

Originally Posted by stonecold54

I am watching a very exciting Yankee game....they were down 6-0 and they have come back so far in the eighth inning to 6-3...they have a runner on 1st and 3rd with 2 ours...

I saw a piece of it too

[JUICE]

Originally Posted by rude

I can't stand baseball, how people can sit down and watch that boring crap, is beyond me.

i dont mind playing it but watching is another story. Can't wait for football season to start.

[Tinfish]

Originally Posted by rude

I can't stand baseball, how people can sit down and watch that boring crap, is beyond me.

Put a couple hundred bucks on a game, then see how exciting it is to watch.

[Goosteady]

Originally Posted by Tinfish

Put a couple hundred bucks on a game, then see how exciting it is to watch.

Yeah and put a couple hundred bucks on an NFL game and have a brain aneurism. Now that is some exciting shit.

[YellowJacket]

Originally Posted by stonecold54

because the aerobic system takes 3-5 minutes to kick in...their ATP levels are probably just plummeting by the time they get to second base.

Baseball never utilizes the aerobic system. Base running is strictly anaerobic glycolysis.


No players in baseball (well maybe a handful) train for inside the park homeruns. These are VERY rare, so rare in fact, they are not trained for in season or out. Base runners rarely even train to leg out a triple. If you do not train for it and condition your body to have the ability to run 360 feet, youre probably not going to make it. Is it their fault? No. It simply is too rare to practice. Besides, the emphasis on todays game is hitting the ball 500 feet.

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by YellowJacket

Baseball never utilizes the aerobic system. Base running is strictly anaerobic glycolysis.


No players in baseball (well maybe a handful) train for inside the park homeruns. These are VERY rare, so rare in fact, they are not trained for in season or out. Base runners rarely even train to leg out a triple. If you do not train for it and condition your body to have the ability to run 360 feet, youre probably not going to make it. Is it their fault? No. It simply is too rare to practice. Besides, the emphasis on todays game is hitting the ball 500 feet.

Having played ball for many years myself, it is not an important issue to players or coaches that they be able to run all of the bases at once. They emphasize mainly on getting from one base to the next. Speed drills are practiced but that is for just seeing how fast you can run 90 feet. Baseball is a game of strategy. Get a guy on base and then decide the next move. That is why they have coaches that tell pitchers what to pitch, batters how to swing or bunt and base coaches telling runners when to run or not.

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by Shibby

how can you consider yourself and athlete if you can't run longer than 30 seconds.

according to Merriam-Webster dictionary....

athlete-a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina.

Just because they can't run longer than 30 seconds without getting winded does not mean they should not be considered an athlete. They are trained to see what kind of pitch may be coming at them and how they should swing at it. There muscles may not be big but they have the ability to throw a baseball 200 or 300 feet or more from the outfied. and do this over and over agian. My arm would fall off if I tried that, but I can run more than 90 feet and not get winded.

They use to say he same thing about NASCAR drivers not being athletes, but if you can sit in a car and turn left for 5-6 hours at 180-200 mph you have stamina and you are an athlete.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by bad14u

according to Merriam-Webster dictionary....

athlete-a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina.

Just because they can't run longer than 30 seconds without getting winded does not mean they should not be considered an athlete. They are trained to see what kind of pitch may be coming at them and how they should swing at it. There muscles may not be big but they have the ability to throw a baseball 200 or 300 feet or more from the outfied. and do this over and over agian. My arm would fall off if I tried that, but I can run more than 90 feet and not get winded.

They use to say he same thing about NASCAR drivers not being athletes, but if you can sit in a car and turn left for 5-6 hours at 180-200 mph you have stamina and you are an athlete.

blah blah blah, this is my baseball hating thread.

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by Shibby

blah blah blah, this is my baseball hating thread.

I bet if Bret Favre played baseball you'd love it! Huh?

[Shibby]

That's an interesting spin on the topic at hand. I would have to still say not so much though. I really liked watching Barry Bonds when I was living in SF. Went to some games and all. But it is just to slow for me.

[Shibby]

I guess it's just the way I look at athletes. Have you seen that new reebok comercial with Iverson talking about "how his jump shot has gotten him a car, a house, an agent, yes sir people, but none of that stuff can give you a jump shot". I just look at baseball and for the most part of it as long as you take the time to practice just about anyone could become a pro. Sure you have to have something specific the scouts are looking for at that time, but really, other than pitching and maybe a little bit of the hitting, what dosn't just take practice. I grew up playing soccer and basketball and to achieve in either of those you are going to really have to have natural skill in them. In football there is alot of skill needed for the majority of it. In hockey you need so much skill, in anything that can cross over to the olympics you need skill... Anyway I think you get my point.

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by Shibby

That's an interesting spin on the topic at hand. I would have to still say not so much though. I really liked watching Barry Bonds when I was living in SF. Went to some games and all. But it is just to slow for me.

I think most people love it for the anticipation of what may happen next. It is a slow game but sitting in the outfield with a cold beer waiting to hopefully catch a souveneir is awesome in my book!

[Taylor]

i play baseball and actually tried out for the white sox on tuesday...I can personally run 2 miles, and i'm more out of breath running around the bases once in a game

i think most people don't breath normal when they run the bases...your standing around in the field, and sitting in the dugout combined for about 30 minutes or so in between your at bats, and then all of a sudden u hit the ball and you gotta sprint it out

your heart rate jumps from nothing to alot in little time

when your actually outside just running or doing cardio in the gym you gradually get your heart rate going up

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Shibby

I guess it's just the way I look at athletes. Have you seen that new reebok comercial with Iverson talking about "how his jump shot has gotten him a car, a house, an agent, yes sir people, but none of that stuff can give you a jump shot". I just look at baseball and for the most part of it as long as you take the time to practice just about anyone could become a pro. Sure you have to have something specific the scouts are looking for at that time, but really, other than pitching and maybe a little bit of the hitting, what dosn't just take practice. I grew up playing soccer and basketball and to achieve in either of those you are going to really have to have natural skill in them. In football there is alot of skill needed for the majority of it. In hockey you need so much skill, in anything that can cross over to the olympics you need skill... Anyway I think you get my point.

i could easily argue with you about that....just like football, when u practice it should be easy to throw a perfect spiral 50 yards or catch a football running at full speed.....but some people just have bad hands, some people have weak or innaccurate arms that can only be built up so much

i think fielding groundballs and catching fly balls can be taught, but fielding major league groundballs and flyballs i dont think so

you gotta play the game and understand it to respect it, and it helps if you've played it at a high level

i personally think racing isn't a sport, what person with a license can't drive around in circles? i dont think golf is a sport, i call it a hobby or a leisure activity...but i haven't done neither of those at a high level so i dont know what it takes or how much training it takes

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by Taylor

i could easily argue with you about that....just like football, when u practice it should be easy to throw a perfect spiral 50 yards or catch a football running at full speed.....but some people just have bad hands, some people have weak or innaccurate arms that can only be built up so much

i think fielding groundballs and catching fly balls can be taught, but fielding major league groundballs and flyballs i dont think so

you gotta play the game and understand it to respect it, and it helps if you've played it at a high level

i personally think racing isn't a sport, what person with a license can't drive around in circles? i dont think golf is a sport, i call it a hobby or a leisure activity...but i haven't done neither of those at a high level so i dont know what it takes or how much training it takes

I agree with everything but the last part about racing and golf, but like you also said "you gotta play the game and understand it to respect it, and it helps if you've played it at a high level"

[Gods Son]

A hockey fan hating on Baseball....Now thats funny

[Gods Son]

Originally Posted by Shibby

I guess it's just the way I look at athletes. Have you seen that new reebok comercial with Iverson talking about "how his jump shot has gotten him a car, a house, an agent, yes sir people, but none of that stuff can give you a jump shot". I just look at baseball and for the most part of it as long as you take the time to practice just about anyone could become a pro. Sure you have to have something specific the scouts are looking for at that time, but really, other than pitching and maybe a little bit of the hitting, what dosn't just take practice. I grew up playing soccer and basketball and to achieve in either of those you are going to really have to have natural skill in them. In football there is alot of skill needed for the majority of it. In hockey you need so much skill, in anything that can cross over to the olympics you need skill... Anyway I think you get my point.

Now that is ridiculous...... Hockey is below golf as a major sport... How can you say hockey players have skill...They skate ave...Fight like girls...LOL give me a break

[Goosteady]

Originally Posted by Shibby

I just look at baseball and for the most part of it as long as you take the time to practice just about anyone could become a pro. Sure you have to have something specific the scouts are looking for at that time, but really, other than pitching and maybe a little bit of the hitting, what dosn't just take practice. I grew up playing soccer and basketball and to achieve in either of those you are going to really have to have natural skill in them. In football there is alot of skill needed for the majority of it. In hockey you need so much skill, in anything that can cross over to the olympics you need skill... Anyway I think you get my point.

Clearly you have never been around the game of baseball or you would not make a statement like this. For one thing, you can't just practice and throw a ball hard. People are just born with good arms. It is the intangibles that baseball recruiters look for (can the guy get a ball from right field to third on a line, does a guy step in the bucket on a 2-2 curve, or can that first baseman scoop a ball out of the dirt...scooping is something you really can't teach). And going right along with these intangibles there is a theme in major league baseball of scouts recruiting relatives of former proven players. Why they put such an emphasis on family I don't know, but they do. It seems like, hypothetically, in a normal draft that Will Clark's son will go 20 rounds higher than better players who played the same position with better stats...I guess they figure the said player will mature into their father. But my point being, baseball, like football and basketball, has many aspects that cannot be gained just through "practice" and are simply intangibles, much like being able to jump out of the building in basketball.

[Taylor]

i'm sorry but in soccer, you need conditioning and you need to know how to kick a ball....goalies need to be able to have great reactions and dive to save a ball...

in baseball you have a small ball coming at you anywhere between 90mph and 60mph, often the ball is moving, sometimes it will go left or right, sometimes it looks like its just coming straight at you and it drops to the ground...
while your in the field you have balls coming at you up to 150mph at times

in hockey, and soccer i think the only athletes you can compare to baseball players are the goaltenders
baseball i can understand being boring for some people, but the actual skill it takes to play is unappreciated

lots of people in baseball have curveballs that look like their coming right at your head and then they curve right into the strikezone...u got less then a second to decide whether to swing or to try and save your teeth