New Orleans

[Puddles]

I heard two interesting things on the radio today.

1. The city of N.O. had busses to help get these people out in time. They were going up and down the streets offering rides using bullhorns to be heard. People did not fill the busses to try to get away from the storm even though there was a mandatory evacuation in progress.

2. The reason so many did not leave was because it was the end of the month and they were waiting for their welfare checks and food stamps to come in on the 1st of the month, otherwise they would have no cash or food.

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Timma

I'm much older and wiser than you are, and have been around more shit than you'll ever be. I just don't argue over the internet to try and make myself feel good. There's no need to read cnn.com cause I have better stuff to do with my day.

That's really pathetic. If you're older and wiser, than why are you so far out in left field? I don't argue over the internet to try and make myself look good, I argue over the internet because people like you make your ridiculous statements. Your lack of wisdom is astonishing.

As for the rest of you who blame Bush for gas prices...IF AMERICANS WEREN'T SO VAIN AND STUPID THEY WOULD DRIVE MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES AND STOP USING SO MUCH GODDAMN GAS!!!!!!!!! Do you really think that there's an endless supply of this shit? Our refineries were operating at near full capacity to keep up with the current demand as it was before the hurricane. There isn't a problem with supply, it's delivering the product to consumers. That's not Bush's fault. What the fuck is Bush supposed to do about the current level of demand in this country? Give some practical suggestions instead of bitching about our president. If all else fails, blame the president and call people retarded.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Timma

1. I'm much older and wiser than you are, and have been around more shit than you'll ever be.
2. I just don't argue over the internet to try and make myself feel good.
3. There's no need to read cnn.com cause I have better stuff to do with my day.

1. you may be older, your obviously not wiser, atleast not when it comes to our current events

2. you've argued on the internet, in this thread....but you probably don't feel good since some kid knows far more about this situation then you

3. like googling "retard" images, because you don't have enough to knowledge to contribute anything more then nonsense in a debate? considering your so old and wise it's pretty sad that you think mentally challenged kids are amusing

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Timma

I'm not going to argue with you cause you seem to have your head up your ass. To assume I am a liberal is ignorant and stupid on your part. I do not affiliate myself politically cause I feel 99% of politicians are pricks. You know you have less than 100 posts and most of them have nothing to do with BBing. Do you come here to start shit? I also see you are young. Maybe you should read what you type before you post it.

Better to make 300 intelligent posts than 2,000 posts about nonsense.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by realconan

That's really pathetic. If you're older and wiser, than why are you so far out in left field? I don't argue over the internet to try and make myself look good, I argue over the internet because people like you make your ridiculous statements. Your lack of wisdom is astonishing.

As for the rest of you who blame Bush for gas prices...IF AMERICANS WEREN'T SO VAIN AND STUPID THEY WOULD DRIVE MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES AND STOP USING SO MUCH GODDAMN GAS!!!!!!!!! Do you really think that there's an endless supply of this shit? Our refineries were operating at near full capacity to keep up with the current demand as it was before the hurricane. There isn't a problem with supply, it's delivering the product to consumers. That's not Bush's fault. What the fuck is Bush supposed to do about the current level of demand in this country? Give some practical suggestions instead of bitching about our president. If all else fails, blame the president and call people retarded.

:bravonew:

[Scrumhalf]

Errrrr..... just for starters, he can do the following:

1. Structure a surcharge system that penalizes the purchases of gas-guzzling vehicles and signficantly boost the mileage requirements for new vehicles.

2. Federally subsidize comprehensive mass transit systems in the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country

3. Restart the nuclear energy program in the country so that we are not dependent on coal and oil for electricity production.

4. Increase financial support for alternative fuel technology - for automobiles as well as power production.

5. Mandate higher efficiency standards for all household equipment - furnaces, washers/dryers, refrigerators, etc. and offer subsidies for families to replace older equipment with newer more efficient models.

6. Signficantly increase, not roll back, environmental protection initiatives to preserve the natural brakes to storms, etc.

I could go on. However, it requires a president with vision and one that is not in the pockets of the energy industry, neither of which we have today.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Scrumhalf

Errrrr..... just for starters, he can do the following:

1. Structure a surcharge system that penalizes the purchases of gas-guzzling vehicles and signficantly boost the mileage requirements for new vehicles.

2. Federally subsidize comprehensive mass transit systems in the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country

3. Restart the nuclear energy program in the country so that we are not dependent on coal and oil for electricity production.

4. Increase financial support for alternative fuel technology - for automobiles as well as power production.

5. Mandate higher efficiency standards for all household equipment - furnaces, washers/dryers, refrigerators, etc. and offer subsidies for families to replace older equipment with newer more efficient models.

6. Signficantly increase, not roll back, environmental protection initiatives to preserve the natural brakes to storms, etc.

I could go on. However, it requires a president with vision and one that is not in the pockets of the energy industry, neither of which we have today.

it also requires that money grows on trees

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Scrumhalf

Errrrr..... just for starters, he can do the following:

1. Structure a surcharge system that penalizes the purchases of gas-guzzling vehicles and signficantly boost the mileage requirements for new vehicles.

2. Federally subsidize comprehensive mass transit systems in the 20 largest metropolitan areas in the country

3. Restart the nuclear energy program in the country so that we are not dependent on coal and oil for electricity production.

4. Increase financial support for alternative fuel technology - for automobiles as well as power production.

5. Mandate higher efficiency standards for all household equipment - furnaces, washers/dryers, refrigerators, etc. and offer subsidies for families to replace older equipment with newer more efficient models.

6. Signficantly increase, not roll back, environmental protection initiatives to preserve the natural brakes to storms, etc.

I could go on. However, it requires a president with vision and one that is not in the pockets of the energy industry, neither of which we have today.

Is that all? Wow, and I thought it was going to be complicated! Of course in theory that all sounds good until you get to the part where you actually have to implement it. And you think that taxes are high now?

[SloppyJo]

That's really pathetic. If you're older and wiser, than why are you so far out in left field? I don't argue over the internet to try and make myself look good, I argue over the internet because people like you make your ridiculous statements. Your lack of wisdom is astonishing.

As for the rest of you who blame Bush for gas prices...IF AMERICANS WEREN'T SO VAIN AND STUPID THEY WOULD DRIVE MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES AND STOP USING SO MUCH GODDAMN GAS!!!!!!!!! Do you really think that there's an endless supply of this shit? Our refineries were operating at near full capacity to keep up with the current demand as it was before the hurricane. There isn't a problem with supply, it's delivering the product to consumers. That's not Bush's fault. What the fuck is Bush supposed to do about the current level of demand in this country? Give some practical suggestions instead of bitching about our president. If all else fails, blame the president and call people retarded.

thats one of the dumbest things ive heard....

I got this stat from spidey

Here's an interesting statistic: Of all the oil companies in the US, NONE of them had an increase in profits of less than 30% last quarter alone.

Conclusion: They are price gouging.

This is a perfect example of why petroleum products should be federally controlled. The entire economy depends on fuel prices. Groceries and retail products must be transported by truck to stores. Expect an immediate jump in price of 20% or more in all areas of retail simply due to the cost of diesel fuel. Heating oil will be no less than 30% more expensive this winter than last and last winter was a record year for people being unable to buy heating oil to heat their homes. The price of fuel affects every part of our economy and if these prices go on for a while, our economy will tank. Bush needs to institute federal controls on fuel prices NOW or the economic recovery will be history and he will hand the presidency to the democrats in 2008.

and on another note... scrumhalf, u cant just blame bush, there are 500+ other jackasses in washington that arent doin shit about it too

[Scrumhalf]

Originally Posted by Taylor

it also requires that money grows on trees

No, it requires that money is spend wisely on building things, not blowing things up.

[Scrumhalf]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

thats one of the dumbest things ive heard....

I got this stat from spidey



and on another note... scrumhalf, u cant just blame bush, there are 500+ other jackasses in washington that arent doin shit about it too

No issues with that statement... if you note my previous posts, I have been critical of both congress and the administration. I was merely responding here to the question of what Bush could do. Well, I gave a list of things that will cost money but will make us a global leader in energy conservation if implemented, which has got to be in our long-term national interest.

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Scrumhalf

No, it requires that money is spend wisely on building things, not blowing things up.

not for all the starters you got

they need to start cutting the luxuries criminals get.....murderers and rapists need to recieve the death penalty so we don't have to pay to keep that filth alive

woman who can't afford kids, and women who cannot possibly raise kids need to have their tubes tied so us taxpayers don't have to keep paying for their illegitimate children....they need to be forced to keep their legs closed

and the men who go around dropping their seed in every women they can all over the country need to be fixed as well for the same reason...

[realconan]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

thats one of the dumbest things ive heard....

I got this stat from spidey



and on another note... scrumhalf, u cant just blame bush, there are 500+ other jackasses in washington that arent doin shit about it too

Not so dumb if you hear me out.

I don't disagree that something needs to be done. Build more refineries or something. Believe it or not, I’m just as upset as anyone over gas prices. It is indeed ridiculous that oil companies are still making money hand over fist while the rest of us are taking up the slack financially. If the cost of refining oil increases why should we bear all of that added cost, while oil companies maintain profit levels? That’s not what capitalism is supposed to be all about.

Like I said, our refineries were at full capacity already, it’s not like they’re able to take it up a notch and increase output. Our crude oil suppliers can’t just double their output overnight either. Americans are using more fossil fuels than ever and we just aren’t able to keep up with the demand. If your boss kept increasing your responsibilities but kept your wages the same, how would you feel? More work should mean more money. It’s not as simple as the government regulating the price of gas. It’s about keeping up with demand. And it’s not just the US that’s facing this problem. Other countries around the world are using much more oil than ever too. Crude oil suppliers have everything they can do to keep up with the demand. That’s not to say that oil companies aren’t gouging because they are. They’re taking unfair advantage of the situation and robbing us blind. We need to find a viable alternative fuel source. I mean, come on now, the internal combustion engine is outmoded technology at best. 60 to 70 percent of the energy from burning gasoline is wasted in today’s automobiles. And gas mileage today isn’t any better than it was 20 or 30 years ago. If we can send a man to the moon and talk to someone on the other side of the planet in real time, than we can develop either more efficient engines or alternative fuel sources. The oil industry has such a choke hold on the automobile industry that you can bet they’re not going to let that happen. Greedy bastards. If they were smart, the oil companies would be leading the search for alternative fuel sources and capitalize on them first. But no, making more money today than they can ever spend in their lifetime is more important. Because none of us really have anything significant that we want to do with our money and we don’t really need disposable income anyway…so please, take my money. No, really…I insist. Money is boring anyway. I’d much rather see you greedy bastards horde it all to yourselves.

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by realconan

Not so dumb if you hear me out.

I don't disagree that something needs to be done. Build more refineries or something. Believe it or not, I’m just as upset as anyone over gas prices. It is indeed ridiculous that oil companies are still making money hand over fist while the rest of us are taking up the slack financially. If the cost of refining oil increases why should we bear all of that added cost, while oil companies maintain profit levels? That’s not what capitalism is supposed to be all about.

Like I said, our refineries were at full capacity already, it’s not like they’re able to take it up a notch and increase output. Our crude oil suppliers can’t just double their output overnight either. Americans are using more fossil fuels than ever and we just aren’t able to keep up with the demand. If your boss kept increasing your responsibilities but kept your wages the same, how would you feel? More work should mean more money. It’s not as simple as the government regulating the price of gas. It’s about keeping up with demand. And it’s not just the US that’s facing this problem. Other countries around the world are using much more oil than ever too. Crude oil suppliers have everything they can do to keep up with the demand. That’s not to say that oil companies aren’t gouging because they are. They’re taking unfair advantage of the situation and robbing us blind. We need to find a viable alternative fuel source. I mean, come on now, the internal combustion engine is outmoded technology at best. 60 to 70 percent of the energy from burning gasoline is wasted in today’s automobiles. And gas mileage today isn’t any better than it was 20 or 30 years ago. If we can send a man to the moon and talk to someone on the other side of the planet in real time, than we can develop either more efficient engines or alternative fuel sources. The oil industry has such a choke hold on the automobile industry that you can bet they’re not going to let that happen. Greedy bastards. If they were smart, the oil companies would be leading the search for alternative fuel sources and capitalize on them first. But no, making more money today than they can ever spend in their lifetime is more important. Because none of us really have anything significant that we want to do with our money and we don’t really need disposable income anyway…so please, take my money. No, really…I insist. Money is boring anyway. I’d much rather see you greedy bastards horde it all to yourselves.

i agree with you on this...and i agree with you on americans using less fuel... and finding other sources of energy... but the thing is these are all long term outcomes, none of this will have any effect in the near future, i will even go as far as to say the next 2 years... but what will have an imediate effect is the government doing something about it instead of just saying "The American people will just have to deal with it"... i mean WTF??? gas prices are going up but my wage and i guarentee your wage isnt going up with it

and somehow i dont see how the demand has skyrocketed in the past quarter to make the gas prices jump up 20-50 cents/gallon... and im gonna have to disagree with you on gas mileage from 20-30 years ago... i guarentee almost every new car (not truck or suv) with a V6 or 4 banger averages over 20 mi/gal... theres no way cars 20-30 yrs ago had even close to that good of mpg... fuck, my gf's new V6 altima can get 30 mpg on the highway

[house1]

Originally Posted by Taylor

1. you may be older, your obviously not wiser, atleast not when it comes to our current events

2. you've argued on the internet, in this thread....but you probably don't feel good since some kid knows far more about this situation then you

3. like googling "retard" images, because you don't have enough to knowledge to contribute anything more then nonsense in a debate? considering your so old and wise it's pretty sad that you think mentally challenged kids are amusing

the more bullshit of yours i read the more i find you to be nothing but a rascist asshole

[Taylor]

i don't buy excuses that "this and this and this" is "because i'm black"

i'm not anti-bush because the world is out to get all the black people

you know what i think of you? I think your the type of person who justifies every bad thing a black person does, and if anyone criticizes a black person or a group of black people for doing something wrong your quick to call them a racist because you KNOW that group is in the wrong, and that's all you can do is cry racist......u might as well go join the other civil rights activists and pull out the race card everytime a huge group of black people do something stupid and a white person criticizes them

you wanna stop thinking i'm a "Racist asshole", then take those non-racist naacp, al sharpton's, jesse jacksons and tell them to shut the fuck up and quit condoning every single crime a black person does...because they are all out for the good of everyone and they wouldn't dare condone any crime a black person would do would they?

[Taylor]

by the way, there isn't any difference in opinion between me and bill cosby.....only difference is i'm a white man and he's a black man

he'd say the same damn thing i'm saying, is bill cosby a racist?

shut the fuck up with that bullshit