GLOBAL WARMING - NEW ORLEANS?

[Mr incredible]

Does anybody else on here agree that there seems to have been an increased frequency of severe weather/geological disturbance worldwide in recent times compared to historically. Does anybody believe in global warming and its effects of weather?

I do and I think its happening already and I also think that our reliance on natural rescources is unsustainable, damaging and has brought us a shit load of trouble;

1)global warming,
2)fluctuating fuel prices and the economic consequence,
3)fuel shortages and the associated disruption to our infastructure,
4)wars?, Bombings
5)poverty (in the sense that some troubled countries seem to get overlooked because they don't have oil or other natural rescources that we can make use of)

If we wern't so reliant on and built around oil and because of this we wern't producing so many carbon emmissions many of these costly problems would go away IMO

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Mr incredible

Does anybody else on here agree that there seems to have been an increased frequency of severe weather/geological disturbance worldwide in recent times compared to historically. Does anybody believe in global warming and its effects of weather?

I do and I think its happening already and I also think that our reliance on natural rescources is unsustainable, damaging and has brought us a shit load of trouble;

1)global warming,
2)fluctuating fuel prices and the economic consequence,
3)fuel shortages and the associated disruption to our infastructure,
4)wars?, Bombings
5)poverty (in the sense that some troubled countries seem to get overlooked because they don't have oil or other natural rescources that we can make use of)

If we wern't so reliant on and built around oil and because of this we wern't producing so many carbon emmissions many of these costly problems would go away IMO

Do you have one damn shread of hard evidence to support this? I'm talking studies, statistics, rational interpretations of those statistics and studies... I'm interested to know why reliance on natural resources is unsustainable. Give me some data.

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Mr incredible

If we wern't so reliant on and built around oil and because of this we wern't producing so many carbon emmissions many of these costly problems would go away IMO

Again...please be specific as to what problems are caused by carbon emissions.

[deakanutz]

I read somewhere that Global Warming could be a big farce keeping many scientists employed with their large grants and manipulating poeple, considering the earth has warmed very little and many parts have gotten colder.

[Lmg2701]

Originally Posted by realconan

Again...please be specific as to what problems are caused by carbon emissions.

Let me guess.....you're one of those that doesn't believe in global warming....?


Here you go:

Compared to 1979, the north polar ice cap is now 20 percent smaller during the summer. This satellite image shows the ice cap in 2004 with the 1979 ice boundary superimposed. Average temperatures are rising twice as fast in the Arctic as they are in the rest of the world. (NRDC / NASA)

[Scrumhalf]

This thread is symptomatic of what is happening in this country led by our esteemed leader Dubya - an absolute refusal to be guided by sound scientific evidence and learning. After all, there is nothing in the Bible about global warming, so it couldn't be true now, could it?

The idiots that believe in global warming are simply that idiots. We only have 120years of accurate weather data, so say the earth is 1 billion years old and we only have 120 solid years of data, yah for any of us who have a science background realize that this isn't a large enuf sample pool of data to make any sort of predictions. I dont' doubt that recently the average global temp is warmer but what about 200+ yrs ago it was often reveled that temps were super cold during the revolutionary war. and even before then bouts of drastic heat was reported during the Roanoke settlement, like I said 120 years of 1+billion isn't enuf to really draw and sort of conclussion

K

[Scrumhalf]

There have always been natural cycles of warming and cooling but there is plenty of evidence now that the *rate* of change is greater, caused by human activity.

Yah but we couldn't even measure human activity acurately until 120 yrs ago... A scientist would be mocked if he stood up and said "I collected less than .01% of the data and I came up with this conclussion" Don't get me wrong I love science background is b.s. in physics from loyola and b.s. in statistics but I just have trouble getting over my statistics background and getting such a small sample pool

K

[Taylor]

I haven't taken a science course since my junior year in high school....i haven't taken any science courses in college yet, because i just flat out struggle with science

so as far as global warming i've never really studied it by any means and i just know that is has something to do with the world regularly being warmer now then it has ever been on average?
I think pollution, especially fuel pollution in the air could have a significant impact but i really dont know

i can't really believe that it has a significant impact on these storms though...but that's just an uneducated opinion

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Lmg2701

Let me guess.....you're one of those that doesn't believe in global warming....?


Here you go:

Compared to 1979, the north polar ice cap is now 20 percent smaller during the summer. This satellite image shows the ice cap in 2004 with the 1979 ice boundary superimposed. Average temperatures are rising twice as fast in the Arctic as they are in the rest of the world. (NRDC / NASA)

Let me guess, you're one of those people who are ready to believe every extreme theory claiming emminent catastrophic global destruction. You watch too many movies. The Day After Tomorrow wasn't real. Shocking I know, but it had to be said.

A picture? That's your evidence? You're right, the ice cap is melting...and it's been melting for thousands of years...so what? It recedes, it advances, it recedes, it advances. What you call global warming is nothing more than a temporary trend over a relatively short period of time. Show me some data that shows global warming trends over the last 10,000 years and I'll believe you. Every time something like Katrina happens, some environmentalist wacko is going to start talking about global warming.

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Scrumhalf

This thread is symptomatic of what is happening in this country led by our esteemed leader Dubya - an absolute refusal to be guided by sound scientific evidence and learning. After all, there is nothing in the Bible about global warming, so it couldn't be true now, could it?

Sound scientific evidence and learning?!?! Go talk to these scientists. Few of them actually interpret their own data. And even fewer agree on the results. So please don't insinuate that you know something that the real scientists don't.

[Scrumhalf]

Originally Posted by realconan

Sound scientific evidence and learning?!?! Go talk to these scientists. Few of them actually interpret their own data. And even fewer agree on the results. So please don't insinuate that you know something that the real scientists don't.

What "real scientists" are you talking about?

Disagreement and discourse is part of the scientific process. Of course, there are always maverick scientists who take dramatically different viewpoints. But please don't suggest that global warming is the brainchild of some crackpot scientist. In fact the vast majority of the members of the scientific establishment agrees that human activities are contributing to global warming that is not consistent with the natural cycles of the earth's climate. There may be differences of opinion on the degree of warming but the basic premise is something that is well established in the scientific community.

[realconan]

Originally Posted by Scrumhalf

What "real scientists" are you talking about?

Disagreement and discourse is part of the scientific process. Of course, there are always maverick scientists who take dramatically different viewpoints. But please don't suggest that global warming is the brainchild of some crackpot scientist. In fact the vast majority of the members of the scientific establishment agrees that human activities are contributing to global warming that is not consistent with the natural cycles of the earth's climate. There may be differences of opinion on the degree of warming but the basic premise is something that is well established in the scientific community.

Oh please, what "majority of the members of the scientific establishment" are you talking about? Human activities are contributing to warming in populated areas, yes, but on a global level? No, not happening. I didn't suggest that global warming was the brainchild of some crackpot scientist. Global warming is the brainchild of some tree hugging, whale kissing, environmentalist wacko.

[rvgfrth4g]

Just remember, any statistic can be skewed.

Originally Posted by BigRed54

Just remember, any statistic can be skewed.

Right, but the larger the pool the less significant tampering is
thats y I hate 120 years of data from something 1+billion yrs old

K

[kohe0011]

Well If I was living in the days of Magellan or Christopher Columbus I would say the world is flat. What is commonly believed today by a majority may become the minority way of thinking in years to come. We need more evidence than to make assumptions.

[Gods Son]

i hate to say this but heat is comparable to fire right? This is bible scripture bro...We shouldnt worry about it theres nothing we can do...

[Mr incredible]

Ok so most of you guys (except scrumhalf) are saying theres no global warming caused by man made emmissions then?

[Gods Son]

I didnt say man arent helping it

The data we have is so small it's comparable to electing a president if we only tallied 15 votes then called it a day thats how small the sample pool is

K

[spidey]

Just to throw another wrench in the works, note that 95% of world wide CO2 emmisions ARE NOT MAN MADE! Simple outgassing from the world's oceans accounts for 95% of all CO2 emmissions. Furthermore, note that respiration from all the world's land animals accounts for a large chunk of the remaining 5%. Total MAN MADE emmisions of CO2 are only a few percent of global emmisions.

So, you global warming guys are trying to tell me that in the past 100 years since technology has enabled man kind to increase our CO2 emmisions to a whopping 2% of the global rate, we have managed to cause perceptable warming of the "gobal temperature" (an illogical concept anyway)?


RIIIIGHT..........

Originally Posted by spidey

Just to throw another wrench in the works, note that 95% of world wide CO2 emmisions ARE NOT MAN MADE! Simple outgassing from the world's oceans accounts for 95% of all CO2 emmissions. Furthermore, note that respiration from all the world's land animals accounts for a large chunk of the remaining 5%. Total MAN MADE emmisions of CO2 are only a few percent of global emmisions.

So, you global warming guys are trying to tell me that in the past 100 years since technology has enabled man kind to increase our CO2 emmisions to a whopping 2% of the global rate, we have managed to cause perceptable warming of the "gobal temperature" (an illogical concept anyway)?


RIIIIGHT..........

You forgot to mention the byproduct of gas (methane) which helps put holes in the ozone layer, the gvt spent millions on researching this wasn't much methane released but still have hundreds of millions of people doin it 10-15 times a day thats a lot of methane, also a byproduct of decomposition

K