Genetics - How unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wheyman]

So I found a new workout partner and he this huge dude that competes in local BB shows. This guys delts, chest, arms and back are HUGE. He has been working out for 4 years and he is pretty impressive.

Now for my rant. I've been working out for 2 years and I weigh 180. I am about 20lbs behind this guy on every lift which IMO isn't that much considering the size difference between the two of us.

This is what pisses me off. We decide to deadlift last week and this dude can't even do 315 for 5 reps..He is shaking and really struggling to get the first rep up. Keep in mind he weighs about 220lbs shredded. I go up and pull 500lbs for 5 reps and stop b/c I start losing my grip..I could have got 6-8. I know this is genetics playing it's unfair and nasty role b/c if I'm stronger than him on back and not that far behind him on other lifts then you would think we would be close in size.

Ok, I'm done hating...Back to your normal programming.

[bonebreaker]

Originally Posted by wheyman

So I found a new workout partner and he this huge dude that competes in local BB shows. This guys delts, chest, arms and back are HUGE. He has been working out for 4 years and he is pretty impressive.

Now for my rant. I've been working out for 2 years and I weigh 180. I am about 20lbs behind this guy on every lift which IMO isn't that much considering the size difference between the two of us.

This is what pisses me off. We decide to deadlift last week and this dude can't even do 315 for 5 reps..He is shaking and really struggling to get the first rep up. Keep in mind he weighs about 220lbs shredded. I go up and pull 500lbs for 5 reps and stop b/c I start losing my grip..I could have got 6-8. I know this is genetics playing it's unfair and nasty role b/c if I'm stronger than him on back and not that far behind him on other lifts then you would think we would be close in size.

Ok, I'm done hating...Back to your normal programming.

Funny, I feel your pain. I used to workout with a guy, many years ago, who was about 6'2" and around 250, huge. His quads were so big he couldn't get pants to fit properly. I was then about 175. We were squatting together one day and I was on a program for squats where I would do 10 reps at 225, wait 30 seconds and do another set and go until I had done 5 sets. It was a killer!! This guy, whose one leg would have made two of mine was trembling after 8 reps, IN THE FIRST SET. But he sure was bigger and more muscular than I, but, Goes to show that bigger is not always stronger. These people, and you have seen them, who NEVER lift and look like they are "gym rats" who train every day, makes me HATE them! Not really, I guess I'm just jealous, lol BB

[JUICE]

i feel you man, i got a huge bastard friend like that. The ting about this dude, he would eat at times 2 meals a day and still grow. Im all here doing a cycle and growing slowly when this dude wasnt using it at the time. Even worst when he did juice up, i hated him. He was 6'2'' around 275-280.

[BBAddict]

I used to like the fact that I was deceptively strong for my size but now I wanna be a freak and growing (naturally) is just too damn slow!

[beefcake]

Gaining size doesn't always warrant the ability to possess strength. There are guys that can grow without having to lift a lot of weight. Therefore they look great, but aren't always that strong. Many don't feel the need to lift more and risk injury cause they're growing just fine as is. There's a guy at my gym who looks great, but he doesn't need to lift that much. Should he? Not really since all he's interested in is hypertrophy. It's just like when the scrawny pukes ask you how much you bench. Doesn't matter cause weight is all for ego. It's all about how you look and how your body is responding to what you lift. Unless you're a powerlifter.

[wheyman]

Originally Posted by beefcake

Gaining size doesn't always warrant the ability to possess strength. There are guys that can grow without having to lift a lot of weight. Therefore they look great, but aren't always that strong. Many don't feel the need to lift more and risk injury cause they're growing just fine as is. There's a guy at my gym who looks great, but he doesn't need to lift that much. Should he? Not really since all he's interested in is hypertrophy. It's just like when the scrawny pukes ask you how much you bench. Doesn't matter cause weight is all for ego. It's all about how you look and how your body is responding to what you lift. Unless you're a powerlifter.

Exactly. I wish I was the opposite..I could care less how much weight I can pull; I'd rather look good.

[THE BOUNCER]

Strength and size do not go hand and hand.

[twizzbeats]

I feel the same way. My buddy that is a monster can barely lift3/4 of what I lift yet he looks like he man, which makes me feel like sheera

[NYCmitch25]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

Strength and size do not go hand and hand.

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[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by beefcake

Gaining size doesn't always warrant the ability to possess strength. There are guys that can grow without having to lift a lot of weight. Therefore they look great, but aren't always that strong. Many don't feel the need to lift more and risk injury cause they're growing just fine as is. There's a guy at my gym who looks great, but he doesn't need to lift that much. Should he? Not really since all he's interested in is hypertrophy. It's just like when the scrawny pukes ask you how much you bench. Doesn't matter cause weight is all for ego. It's all about how you look and how your body is responding to what you lift. Unless you're a powerlifter.

i feel bad but im one of the bigger guys who isnt that strong. although i dont work out to be strong i work out for looks. my arms are 19.5" and i use the 45lb dumbells (on cycle) i also only do around 8 total sets for bis and im done to wear they are gonna pop.

[JUICE]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

i feel bad but im one of the bigger guys who isnt that strong. although i dont work out to be strong i work out for looks. my arms are 19.5" and i use the 45lb dumbells (on cycle) i also only do around 8 total sets for bis and im done to wear they are gonna pop.

im like u man.

But as for upper body strength, its alright, i dont lift all that much nor light either, just what i can. But for legs im pretty strong.

[Stonecold54]

Originally Posted by wheyman

So I found a new workout partner and he this huge dude that competes in local BB shows. This guys delts, chest, arms and back are HUGE. He has been working out for 4 years and he is pretty impressive.

Now for my rant. I've been working out for 2 years and I weigh 180. I am about 20lbs behind this guy on every lift which IMO isn't that much considering the size difference between the two of us.

This is what pisses me off. We decide to deadlift last week and this dude can't even do 315 for 5 reps..He is shaking and really struggling to get the first rep up. Keep in mind he weighs about 220lbs shredded. I go up and pull 500lbs for 5 reps and stop b/c I start losing my grip..I could have got 6-8. I know this is genetics playing it's unfair and nasty role b/c if I'm stronger than him on back and not that far behind him on other lifts then you would think we would be close in size.

Ok, I'm done hating...Back to your normal programming.

muscle size is actually a pretty poor indicator of strength. there are too many other factors to put into play to make any type of comparson from person to person.

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

i feel bad but im one of the bigger guys who isnt that strong. although i dont work out to be strong i work out for looks. my arms are 19.5" and i use the 45lb dumbells (on cycle) i also only do around 8 total sets for bis and im done to wear they are gonna pop.

Bastards haha I'm the opposite stronger than I look, I noticed though that those who lift heavier have usually better looking refined muscle when dieting, possibly the density shows better

K

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

i feel bad but im one of the bigger guys who isnt that strong. although i dont work out to be strong i work out for looks. my arms are 19.5" and i use the 45lb dumbells (on cycle) i also only do around 8 total sets for bis and im done to wear they are gonna pop.

Why feel bad? You're able to gain muscle pretty easily. You should be happy. If using lighter weight works for you then there's no reason to change. Do what works is what I say. Unfortunately i'm one of the people that needs to lift high weight in order to grow. Working to bench 500lbs is just for ego. Leave the ego at the door for the high school kids.

[ROCKETW19]

Originally Posted by beefcake

Why feel bad? You're able to gain muscle pretty easily. You should be happy. If using lighter weight works for you then there's no reason to change. Do what works is what I say. Unfortunately i'm one of the people that needs to lift high weight in order to grow. Working to bench 500lbs is just for ego. Leave the ego at the door for the high school kids.

thats funny my bro told me you dont have to lift 500lbs just look like you can!

[realconan]

"Strength" has many different definitions. Body proportions have alot to do with how much weight you can lift. Your body is a system of levers and how those levers are constructed makes all the difference in how "strong" you are. For instance...I'm tall with long arms and long legs and a short torso. Great for basketball and/or wide receiver, but shitty for lifting lots of weight. Bicep curls for example...if the distance between my elbow and my hand is a full 6 inches longer than another guy, if he has the same amount of muscle mass, than of course he's going to be able to lift more weight because he has a greater mechanical advantage than I do. The longer the distance the muscle is required to move the weight, the more mass is required to move it too. I don't know the physics behind it, but I know on a basic level that this is true. Muscle genetics play a part yes, but the way your built plays as much of a part.