Phobia's... Manufactured or discovered?

[Shibby]

I was thinking about this. The latest episode of Without a Trace, is about a lady who is Agoraphobic. Someone who is afraid of crowds and leaving the apartment. Pretty much a fear of going outside. I wonder if some are created for people to fall into and become obsessed with. But others of course are real fears. I just don't remember my parents talking about people like this growing up. Did we just not know about these phobic people or was it disregarded as crazy...

[metalmarty]

Yeah, you're right. It seems the more disorders are publicized, the higher the occurrance. Probably either a lame excuse for something or some psychotic lust for attention. I do not believe in any of these phobias or "mental disorders."

[Shibby]

Well there are some very real disorders, but some seem a little out there or exgerated. It seems the more people try to find problems with themselves, the more "answers" are created.

[metalmarty]

Originally Posted by Shibby

Well there are some very real disorders, but some seem a little out there or exgerated. It seems the more people try to find problems with themselves, the more "answers" are created.

Agreed, I did not mean to sound so harsh with my response. What I'm trying to say is that the mind is a very powerful thing, but unfortunately is also very succeptable to whatever bullshit passes through it. There are real disorders, but I am willing to bet that at least 75% of these so called disorders are self-perpetuated and fueled by media.

[coffee-guy]

Originally Posted by FitnessBrat

one of the reasons you hear about it so often now is because of awareness. Mental health isn't shameful like it used to be, so more people are open to admitting their problems.

Well put...

Originally Posted by FitnessBrat

I also think people over use it as an excuse. I think people, including doctors are too quick to jump to conclusions - general practioners prescripe antidepressants, etc to so many people nowdays.

All too true....

[THE BOUNCER]

My phobia is to run into someone with a phobia. I just get an urge to smack the shit out of them and say, "stop making shit up in your head cock sucker".

[coffee-guy]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

My phobia is to run into someone with a phobia. I just get an urge to smack the shit out of them and say, "stop making shit up in your head cock sucker".

nice bro...

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by fog_hat1981

nice bro...

[DS-COUSIN]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

My phobia is to run into someone with a phobia. I just get an urge to smack the shit out of them and say, "stop making shit up in your head cock sucker".

SHIT B, You got to it before I could..SHIT SHIT SHIT!


B-give them the phobia-bitch-slap, HI'YA..SMACK!

[metalmarty]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

My phobia is to run into someone with a phobia. I just get an urge to smack the shit out of them and say, "stop making shit up in your head cock sucker".

:laughnew: Ingenious.

[twizzbeats]

I have studied sociology and psychology in college a bit. I think a little of manufactured and a little of discovered is the way it is.


Some people can get mental illness from use of hard drugs as well. Like Crystal meth can cause you to be scitzo(spelling)

[hlcn8]

at the same time, i think being aware of it isn't such a bad thing. I still don't condone people who use it as an excuse, but knowing about it, understanding that it's somewhat 'accepted,' and being able to take that step towards dealing with it can be a good thing. i think the trouble lies in people who use it as an excuse and think that just because it's accepted it isn't a problem and they don't have to work it, humans are social creatures and it shouldn't be an excuse to shut out the world.
i read somewhere a quote a while back to the effect of "minds and personalities are like a muscle, if you don't use them and push them they atrophy."

[trip]

Good question Shibby,

A KISS answer.

We have learned more about the human mind/brain in the last 20 years than in the whole history of man. I essence it's total virgin uncharted territory.

You got a bazzillion synpases, speed of light transfer of electrical energy through them, and all supported by several hundred chemicals.

You get a few thousand atoms out of place by chance, and you get some strange things that happen.

Here's one I use alot.

50 years ago, Johnny was lazy, no good uncotrolable
25 years ago, accepted fact that ADD and dyslexia play a role in learning and behavior now in childredn and even adults

so, 50 years ago, we had one learning disability.......laziness.........25 years ago, now we got 3 ....laziness, add, dyslexia

Today, well presently about 75 combinations have been discovered of unique learning difficulties, that result in 7,000 unique combinations.


Overall the brain seems to be one big computer, and just a few lines of code can create some whoop ass on ya. And the code can be old or new, or the code can be half right and half right, that causes real havoc.

And since a person is trying to deciiver or find 2-3 lines in a mind that has billions of em, welllllllll you get the picture.

good thinking

[Shibby]

So it seems that to often it's used as an excuse to be lazy or irrational instead of trying to deal with the problem. One of the reason this all got me thinking is how now that I'm back in school it seems I have a lot of the same problems with learning as before. I know part of it is that I never really learned good studying skills. But it's hard for me to store stuff in my long term memory. I can learn it for the time being, but it's hard for me to retain it and if I don't get the current stuff down pat, I just get so overwhelmed with the next level, that I loose all concentration. My frustration can overwhelm me.

[THE BOUNCER]

By the way, I was just being a jerk. I realize that some people do have genuine problems.

[Shibby]

I think we all know you well enough to know what you meant.

[trip]

Originally Posted by Shibby

So it seems that to often it's used as an excuse to be lazy or irrational instead of trying to deal with the problem. One of the reason this all got me thinking is how now that I'm back in school it seems I have a lot of the same problems with learning as before. I know part of it is that I never really learned good studying skills. But it's hard for me to store stuff in my long term memory. I can learn it for the time being, but it's hard for me to retain it and if I don't get the current stuff down pat, I just get so overwhelmed with the next level, that I loose all concentration. My frustration can overwhelm me.

Yup, transfer of info from short to long term is one of the noted problems.

Your smart, so your probably right in that you got to get the current stuff down pat, which is more studying skills and maybe getting help.

I either know most everything about something or almost nil. I often state i'm computer illiterate cause I am. If folks show me things I'm good, yet, reading directions it's all chinese.

Whereas it seems most folks brains go A to B to C

Mine works like this A.1 to A.2 to A.3.........A.10 to B.1 to B.2 etc.

So, in the long run found out it helps me help folks cause I can easily discover if they messed up on b.3 or c.9 and then explain it to them.

There's plus's and minus's to all.

Best bet, is always consistency, set aside specific times, and get er done.

If you try that for several weeks and you feel no progress then maybe seek some help.

Good study skills are usually just sitting down and putting in the time, your smart enought to figure out what to do if you just do it.

In college I noticed after dinner everyone messed around from 6-9 doing diddly, so each night at 6 off to the lib I went, and after awhile, I was back by 8 or 8 thirty. No diferent than trainin.


Do people use as excuses, well, it's kind of hard to judge sometimes. What we do know is that trends are real, the grunge, the punk, hip hop, etc. So, alot of that stuff is people pick up on it, have a bit of knowledge and might have had a struggle or two with something, yet, without real knowledge of the subject and expereince it's hard to know.

Very similar to the famous, "my gentics suck"

[Shibby]

So let's just say after taking a few hours a day for school and one was to still be having trouble. What kind of "help" would be needed?

[hlcn8]

Originally Posted by Shibby

So let's just say after taking a few hours a day for school and one was to still be having trouble. What kind of "help" would be needed?

part of several psychology classes i took, as well as presentations by learning/teaching experts around the world... i'll share as much as i seem to remember...

i used to think we had just short and long term memory, but there's obviously something in between as short term is described at up to 7 seconds, and long term obviously being "permanent."

the last person at a conference who addressed this was an expert in the field, and simply put, stated that in order to transfer things to long term memory one has to repeat the information in their mind at least 7 times over a period of 21 days. (mnemonic (sp?) techniques help as well, for instance ROYGBIV for the colors of the visible light spectrum). These things strengthens the synapses which recall the information etc.

now if you're like any student you don't have enough time to review three weeks worth of information in a one week period. at that point you simply have to prioritize the information, figure out what's most relevant, and repeat that. knowing this, i often write in the margins of the notes I take what I wish to repeat to memory, or highlight it, etc. i often find it's most often a matter of simply finding a system that works best for me.

and as a sidenote, i figure that's the problem with most learning institutions, we are simply bombarded with too much information and glean what we can in order to pass tests, and then forget it. not that i have a solution to this issue, but i've at least worked how to work smarter and not harder. that's probably the only reason I pass tests : )

[hlcn8]

BTW, i don't know of any other forum where we can be so cerebral at times, yet talk about bodybuilding issues. in other words, i'm appreciative of everyone here and this forum, and haven't found anything similar elsewhere.