Florida boot camp death not from sickle cell: doctor

[rado]

Those people who did this should be shot in the nuts with a double gauge shotgun and fed to hungry hogs :thumbsdow :thumbsdow


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Another link here; http://tampatribune.com/MGB701ATRKE.html

By Robert Green

TAMPA, Florida (Reuters) - A 14-year-old boy who was beaten by guards at a Florida boot camp did not die of an undiagnosed blood disorder as a medical examiner had reported, a doctor hired by his family said on Tuesday.

Martin Lee Anderson died on January 6 at a Panama City boot camp run by the Bay County Sheriff's Office. A surveillance videotape taken that day showed Anderson being beaten by several guards.

"In my opinion, I think he (Anderson) died from what you saw on the videotape," Dr. Michael Baden, a former chief medical examiner for New York City, told a news conference with Anderson's parents in Tampa.

An autopsy performed by Bay County Medical Examiner Dr. Charles Siebert found that Anderson, an African American, died of internal bleeding from sickle cell trait. One in 12 African Americans has sickle cell trait, which is different from sickle cell disease

are you fucking joking? watch the video here; link to video

and does not routinely cause health problems.

The finding outraged Anderson's family and civil rights groups and prompted Florida Gov. Jeb Bush to name Hillsborough County State Attorney Mark Ober to investigate the case.

Ober had Anderson's body exhumed and taken to Tampa for a second autopsy on Monday by Hillsborough County Medical Examiner Vernard Adams.

Baden, who was hired by Anderson's family and was allowed to observe the autopsy, said he ruled out sickle cell trait and other natural causes for the death.

"I think he (Siebert) made a mistake," said Baden, who based his conclusion on his observation of the second autopsy.

Anderson's mother, Gina Jones, said the guards and a nurse at the camp should be arrested. "The truth is out and I want justice," Jones said.

The official results of the autopsy by Adams are not expected for several weeks. No arrests have been made but the camp has been closed.

The camp, one of five in Florida operated by county sheriffs departments under contract with the state, served as an alternative to jail for juveniles. Anderson was sent there for stealing a car.

[Shibby]

I didn't notice anything from the video.

[hitmansb]

Everyone in that video, from the guards doing the beating, to the ones observing, to the nurse pretending to care about his vitals...should be locked up for a good long while!!!!

[bad14u]

That kid was robbed of his life and all of those people should pay. It looked to me as if one guard threw something over the fence. I wonder what that was.

As for Gov. Jeb Bush saying that this was “one tragic incident”....he is a fucking moron! Thank God he will be gone soon. Everything in Florida needs to be examined....courts, juvenile justice, school sytems, public transportation and so on...this place is going down hill and fast!

[lxorl]

true... but if not for jeb the first decision would have stood... he was partly responsible for the follow up investigation and hired an independant prosecutor to look into it.

I am glad that caught that shit on tape..... they deserve to spend their life in that boot camp now!

in the famous words of Zack de la Roca...

"Some of those who work forces are the same who burn churches..... Some of those who hold office are the same who burn Crosses"

Killing in the name of..

Fuck you I wont do what you tell me !!!

love that tune!

Originally Posted by bad14u

That kid was robbed of his life and all of those people should pay. It looked to me as if one guard threw something over the fence. I wonder what that was.

As for Gov. Jeb Bush saying that this was “one tragic incident”....he is a fucking moron! Thank God he will be gone soon. Everything in Florida needs to be examined....courts, juvenile justice, school sytems, public transportation and so on...this place is going down hill and fast!

[Megiddo]

While the kid's death was tragic, he wasn't an angel. He was on his way to being nothing more than a leech on the system and more than likely a tragic iguest of the penal system.

While the deputies and nurse need charges filed for failing to protect and serve, people also need to look at the family who so "care" about their dead son that they did no home training and allowed him to continue his behavior patterns that led him to being in boot camp in the first place.

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by Megiddo

While the kid's death was tragic, he wasn't an angel. He was on his way to being nothing more than a leech on the system and more than likely a tragic iguest of the penal system.

No he wasn't an angel....nobody is! At 14, he had the possibility of turning his life around, but NOW...thanks to those morons...we will never know!

[AD1]

Originally Posted by Megiddo

While the kid's death was tragic, he wasn't an angel. He was on his way to being nothing more than a leech on the system and more than likely a tragic iguest of the penal system.

While the deputies and nurse need charges filed for failing to protect and serve, people also need to look at the family who so "care" about their dead son that they did no home training and allowed him to continue his behavior patterns that led him to being in boot camp in the first place.

How do the kids parents come into question in this situation? :hmmm:

[Megiddo]

Originally Posted by AD1

How do the kids parents come into question in this situation? :hmmm:

Simple. The kid had a very large list of charges stemming from about age 10 or so. How can a 10 year old start a life of crime when they are 10years old? Lack of parental control as well as enablement. If the parents had shown any interest in the kid's well being and future goals, they would have attempted to instill ome values and morals in him instead of allowing him to walk the path that he walked.

[AD1]

Originally Posted by Megiddo

Simple. The kid had a very large list of charges stemming from about age 10 or so. How can a 10 year old start a life of crime when they are 10years old? Lack of parental control as well as enablement. If the parents had shown any interest in the kid's well being and future goals, they would have attempted to instill ome values and morals in him instead of allowing him to walk the path that he walked.

The parents obviosly did show enough interest to hire a doctor to find out what happened to their child. The kid could have had mental or emotional issues which would explain behavior problems. The kid wasnt sentenced to death but thats what he got. If he died in his parents custody you'd expect them to be charged right. Well, he died in the custody of the state.

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by Megiddo

Simple. The kid had a very large list of charges stemming from about age 10 or so. How can a 10 year old start a life of crime when they are 10years old? Lack of parental control as well as enablement. If the parents had shown any interest in the kid's well being and future goals, they would have attempted to instill ome values and morals in him instead of allowing him to walk the path that he walked.

:hmmm: Ok..so we can blame the parents for his being there. They didn't kill him though! :hmmm:

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by AD1

. Well, he died in the custody of the state.

I don't think that was state run facility. More than likely, county.

[AD1]

Originally Posted by bad14u

I don't think that was state run facility. More than likely, county.

Sorry, it was Leon County Boot Camp. Does anybody know what this kid was there for? I havent heard anything about a lengthy criminal record.

[Megiddo]

Originally Posted by AD1

The parents obviosly did show enough interest to hire a doctor to find out what happened to their child. The kid could have had mental or emotional issues which would explain behavior problems. The kid wasnt sentenced to death but thats what he got. If he died in his parents custody you'd expect them to be charged right. Well, he died in the custody of the state.

I very well expect charges to be filed and hope they are filed. I am actually glad that this came about, albeit in another way, as the boot camp did not work. the same kids were in and out constantly and within two weeks they were back to their old behaviors.

I also don't think that the parents hiring a private doctor, a high profile one that will garner national attention, shows any care at all, maybe regret, but no care.

[Megiddo]

Originally Posted by AD1

Sorry, it was Leon County Boot Camp. Does anybody know what this kid was there for? I havent heard anything about a lengthy criminal record.

It was here in Bay County, and the straw that broke the camel's back was his theft of a car.

[AD1]

Originally Posted by Megiddo

It was here in Bay County, and the straw that broke the camel's back was his theft of a car.

He was on probation for stealing his Grandmothers car but his violation of probation was trespassing at a school.

[bad14u]

Originally Posted by Megiddo

I also don't think that the parents hiring a private doctor, a high profile one that will garner national attention, shows any care at all, maybe regret, but no care.

I would agree to that, but who is to say that this guy didn't offer his services free of charge until the BIG payday? Either way...they are looking for a paycheck.

[Megiddo]

Originally Posted by bad14u

I would agree to that, but who is to say that this guy didn't offer his services free of charge until the BIG payday? Either way...they are looking for a paycheck.

Yes they are which makes me sad that their son's life didn't matter until after his death.

I deal with these kids all day long trying to educate them for 50 minutes and when they go home there is no parental support. However, when something bad happens, the parents are quic to lash out at everyone else whilst ignoring their own roles in the situation.

[hlcn8]

Originally Posted by lxorl

true... but if not for jeb the first decision would have stood... he was partly responsible for the follow up investigation and hired an independant prosecutor to look into it.

I am glad that caught that shit on tape..... they deserve to spend their life in that boot camp now!

in the famous words of Zack de la Roca...

"Some of those who work forces are the same who burn churches..... Some of those who hold office are the same who burn Crosses"

Killing in the name of..

Fuck you I wont do what you tell me !!!

love that tune!

jeb only made that decision because it would have been public relations/political suicide not to after the independant autopsy was performed. jeb is just as much of a jackass as always...
but what happened to setting an example? the kid obviously had no role models at home, and surely had no role models at this camp either. i've heard of scaring people straight, not beating them straight...

[rado]

[quote=hlcn8]jeb QUOTE]

How about fuck Jeb and his brother, fuck those who watched this child get killed and fuck those who are not owning up to there decisions :dancingne

Regardless of WTF the kid had in his past/present, YOU CAN still rehab someone and never give up on children, never. It's fucking wrong what happened.

[hlcn8]

[quote=rado]

Originally Posted by hlcn8

jeb QUOTE]

How about fuck Jeb and his brother, fuck those who watched this child get killed and fuck those who are not owning up to there decisions :dancingne

Regardless of WTF the kid had in his past/present, YOU CAN still rehab someone and never give up on children, never. It's fucking wrong what happened.

there was a long string of badly made decisions/lack thereof that led to this kids death. i work with kids, and have seen the entire spectrum of outcomes... people talk about 'safety cultures' in dangerous occupations, and of the cultures police officers create, engaged in dealing with gang warfare in LA, and the negative outcomes of officers being no better than the thugs, somewhere the control was lost over this camp. i can't pretend to be in their positions, for all we know the kid was saying more offensive shit than we can imagine, but SOMEONE has to take the highroad, and if it isn't the police (it SURELY isn't the politicians), than who... i know so many police officers who end up being social workers, because they do so much to help the public and point people in the right direction, despite having such a negative association. but these cops obviously strayed from the correct path a long time ago.

[decadecadeca]

Originally Posted by rado

How about fuck Jeb and his brother....

What the fuck does this have to do with President Bush? Jeb is a fine governor, and although I don't agree with everything he's done I would still take President Bush over the piece of shit liberal alternative. You bringing him up in this discussion just shows what a liberal left wing asshat you are.

[decadecadeca]

Back to the topic at hand....

One medical examiner said his death was NOT a result of trauma. Now one medical examiner said that it was. Are they just going to keep going back and forth until they get the answer they want? Best two out of three?

Reminds me of the Rodney King bullshit. First trial=innocent. Some people riot and burn shit. Ooops. Second trial=guilty. Imagine that.