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05-02-06, 03:42 AM
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ACLU Challenges Ky. Funeral Protest Law
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050101936.html
By ROGER ALFORD The Associated Press Monday, May 1, 2006; 11:54 PM FRANKFORT, Ky. -- Portions of a new Kentucky law intended to prevent protesters from disrupting funerals for soldiers killed in Iraq are unconstitutional, the American Civil Liberties Union said in a federal lawsuit filed Monday. The ACLU argues that sections of the law go too far in limiting freedom of speech and expression. Members of the Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church have protested at military funerals in several states. The church claims the soldiers' deaths are a sign of God punishing America for tolerating homosexuality. The new law, signed by Gov. Ernie Fletcher in March, bans protests within 300 feet of memorial services, wakes and burials. Violators can be charged with first-degree disorderly conduct, punishable by up to a year in jail. But it is so broad that people could unknowingly violate it by stopping to chat on a public sidewalk near a funeral home, Lili S. Lutgens, an ACLU attorney in Louisville. It also could prevent pro-military groups from participating in counter-protests outside memorial services, she said. The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Bart McQueary, a Kentucky man who has protested alongside the church members on three occasions. McQueary had no listed telephone number and couldn't be reached for comment. The ACLU has asked U.S. District Judge Karen Caldwell to grant a preliminary injunction to allow the protests to continue. The governor hasn't yet seen the lawsuit, said Fletcher spokesman Brett Hall. However, Hall said mourning families deserve privacy. "The public should respect their dignity in a very difficult time," he said. "That's why this law was passed. It's inconceivable why anyone would want to protest at a military funeral while family members are there." © 2006 The Associated Press
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05-02-06, 03:54 AM
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This shit really pisses me off. I usually don't like to get in to politcal discussion but these people should be hung. Here's some images of the signs at the protests during soldiers funerals.
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05-02-06, 06:47 AM
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Man....that shit wouldn't fly around here! Ohhhh how I would love to drop a grenade in the middle of that shit!
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05-02-06, 10:16 AM
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portions of the law may be unconstitutional, but I think the essence of the law is certainly valid. IMO, I think some of those comments amount to "fighting words," as defined in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire: "There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or 'fighting words' those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality"
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words
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05-02-06, 12:33 PM
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Needless to say, that's not an accurate representation of the Christian faith... Cultism if you ask me...they're all brainwashed.
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05-02-06, 01:26 PM
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"Everyone wants to be a bodybuilder but no one wanna lift no heavy-ass weights" -- Ronnie "He may be a great bodybuilder but I personally think he's a moron. Have you ever heard this guy talk? He sounds like a complete hillbilly moron when he speaks. He should just pose and never speak" -- Lmg2701, on Ronnie
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05-02-06, 09:17 PM
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05-02-06, 09:36 PM
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extreme 'christians' with the same message as extreme 'muslims'...you think any of them see the irony?
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05-02-06, 10:32 PM
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05-02-06, 10:55 PM
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05-02-06, 11:06 PM
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of course! I actually got flamed on another bb site for pointing out the same thing; hence my quotation marks around both muslim and christian, because, regardless of my own beliefs, I can agree that neither set of extremists are representative of their respective faiths. It just struck me as odd that two groups who would profess to hate each other have identical messages...
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05-02-06, 11:20 PM
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Also, I don't think that I have stated this yet - regardless of my religious views this shit is still VERY wrong....
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05-02-06, 11:22 PM
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05-02-06, 11:43 PM
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Cool - maybe we can have our discussion in Rado's World - I'm sure he'll have something to say about it so we might as well put it in his forum
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05-02-06, 11:54 PM
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I prefer the argument disagrement forum. It's going to end up there anyways
 Plus I prefer not to post in "Rado's" forum 
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05-03-06, 08:22 AM
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05-03-06, 08:53 AM
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Like Fog said...regardless of religious views that is wrong! If I saw someone standing on the American Flag on the side of the road, I would run there ass over! Plain and simple, I would have to hurt them!
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05-03-06, 09:39 AM
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