Here are the results of the New York Pro

[Lmg2701]

1. Phil Heath
2. Darrem Charles
3. Dennis James*
4. Dave Henry
5.Bill Willmore*
6. King Kamali

[mindstar]

Phil Heath made history...6 for 6 with 2 straight Pro wins. He is all class, and an awesome competitor. Congrats Phil!

[daf2]

i believe he is 7-0 now. I was at the show. Good show but I thought David Henry was slightly better conditioned.

[THE BOUNCER]

That show has really gotten weak the last few years. Anyone remember when it was called "The night of champions" and it was actually a damn good show?

I take nothing away from Heath, all my congrats go to him.

Bodybuilding as a Pro sport is dieing and wont be along much longer IMO. Thats not really bad news either, if you ask me. The IFBB is such a cluster fuck right now that it just bogels the mind.

The IFBB will soon come to an end and "pro bodybuilding" will die with it. People will continue to train and build there body for the love of it. After awhile, a new organization will emerge and it will be the way it used to be, everyone competing for the love of bodybuilding.

BRING BACK THE GOLDEN AGE AND FUCK THIS CURRENT PIECE OF SHIT WE CALL THE IFBB.

P.S. Whatever happened to that big mouth Kamali? He is getting beat by rookies now? I guess he believed in his own hype..

[mindstar]

Bouncer, what do you think about the PDI or whatever it's going to be called? I agree that the IFBB is a gong show.

[Lmg2701]

And hopefully when a new organization does arise bodybuilders will get the fucking financial compensation that they have long deserved......

[go Yankees]

there's an article in a recent issue of MD I think, or Flex, about Wayne DeMilia's new proposed bodybuilding organization.

So Bouncer, I'll concede the IFBB is a mess, but what do you have to say for the NPC? Do you see them as one and the same? If the IFBB folds, will the NPC go with it? 99% (or whatever it is) of us competitors aren't IFBB pros, and I guess I'd be a little concerned if "my" amateur organization is about to fold too

[Lmg2701]

Originally Posted by go Yankees

there's an article in a recent issue of MD I think, or Flex, about Wayne DeMilia's new proposed bodybuilding organization.

So Bouncer, I'll concede the IFBB is a mess, but what do you have to say for the NPC? Do you see them as one and the same? If the IFBB folds, will the NPC go with it? 99% (or whatever it is) of us competitors aren't IFBB pros, and I guess I'd be a little concerned if "my" amateur organization is about to fold too

If a bunch of amateurs have to get a promoter and put on a show by themselves they will........


Think about it....All the f'in NPC does is take your money and send you a few issues of their mags.


You generally find out about local shows from local promoters and if it was a National Show without the NPC I'm sure word could get around.


As long as there are bodybuilders there will be bodybuilding competitions because of human nature's will to compete!

[hurley]

bring back the WBF :laughnew:

[THE BOUNCER]

NPC and IFBB is one in the same. Same people in charge of both.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by mindstar

Bouncer, what do you think about the PDI or whatever it's going to be called? I agree that the IFBB is a gong show.

Not sure bro. Dont really know much about it to be honest. Could you point me in the direction and any good reading about it?

thanks

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Lmg2701

And hopefully when a new organization does arise bodybuilders will get the fucking financial compensation that they have long deserved......

not really what bodybuilding is all about to me. bodybuilding is doing it because of the love of it. bodybuilding was in a much better state in the 70's and 80's and they didnt make half of what the guys make today. same goes for all sports really, money has killed the passion in sports.

[Control]

I was once an aspiring pro bodybuilder. What I realized after a few shows is that it's not a sport. It's like a beauty pageant. Pro bodybuilding is pretty much only interesting to 1. Amatuer bodybuilders 2. Gay men. Anybody who goes to the shows will agree with me. Then again, I might just be bitter cuz I had a bad experience with competing...

[fog_hat1981]

Originally Posted by Control

I was once an aspiring pro bodybuilder. What I realized after a few shows is that it's not a sport. It's like a beauty pageant. Pro bodybuilding is pretty much only interesting to 1. Amatuer bodybuilders 2. Gay men. Anybody who goes to the shows will agree with me. Then again, I might just be bitter cuz I had a bad experience with competing...

I was in a National Qualifier show that had about 170 people (which is big for amateur from what I hear) and I have to agree. It was a really manly beauty pageant. I found the whole experience to be quite strange if I were looking at it from the outside in. However, I was committed to the entire process and actually ended up liking the competetive side of it so I plan on continuing for as long as I can stand it ...

Unfortunately, I hated the vanity (shaving, tanning, and primping etc).

[babyblues]

Originally Posted by fog_hat1981

I was in a National Qualifier show that had about 170 people (which is big for amateur from what I hear) and I have to agree. It was a really manly beauty pageant. I found the whole experience to be quite strange if I were looking at it from the outside in. However, I was committed to the entire process and actually ended up liking the competetive side of it so I plan on continuing for as long as I can stand it ...

And that's the key really...if the competition is what motivates you to work hard and stay focused, then it's worth it.

I agree with Bouncer, bring back the 70s and 80s. Guys back then made bodybuilding exciting because of their personalities and the fact that they actually looked good. Today's mass monsters are not nearly as appealing to the general public. And that's really why it's becoming less and less popular. Back then it wasn't all about being a bigger idiot or whose GH gut stuck out the farthest. Today it's retarded. It's not entertaining at all.

[Lmg2701]

I prefer watching amateur shows......Like most sporst, the lower down the professional ladder you go the more pure the sport seems.



And B as far as the money, I'm not saying that the bodybuilders are wanting more money, I'm saying with as much money as they make off of them they should be entitled to a bigger chunk. (Even more money for health affects and things of that sort) Because when you consider only the top 2% of bodybuilders makes enough to actually make a living and to become Pro that pretty much requires bodybuilding to be your "job".



Like I said, I'd rather watch amateurs or the biggest show being the NPC Nationals, of course you will see the GH guts in the heavier weight classes but there's always the light and middles and light-heavies to look at AND it's a lot more competitive and not just a bunch of monster bellies on stage against one another.

[THE BOUNCER]

agreed with everything said here.

[go Yankees]

Originally Posted by Lmg2701

Like I said, I'd rather watch amateurs or the biggest show being the NPC Nationals, of course you will see the GH guts in the heavier weight classes but there's always the light and middles and light-heavies to look at AND it's a lot more competitive and not just a bunch of monster bellies on stage against one another.

I agree, I thoroughly enjoyed NPC Nats and Jr USA earlier this year. But at Nats, there's something about watching someone finally turn pro, after years and years of trying, it's like watching a dream come true for athletes

At the same time, I know it sounds odd to bring it up here, but the IFBB and NPC seem to have a winner in figure competitions -- every show I've been to that had figure had seemingly dozens of figure competitors in every height class. Sure, outside Sandy Ranalli no one understands the judging criteria, but the figure girls have turned a lot of attention towards these shows IMO

[mindstar]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

Not sure bro. Dont really know much about it to be honest. Could you point me in the direction and any good reading about it?

thanks

Here is a bit...I've mostly heard the same message board rumours that always seem to float arround the net. They're bringing back the NOC though!

[Lmg2701]

Pro Division Inc is proud to announce a series of Men's Professional Bodybuilding competitions/events that will commence in the fall of 2006.

This action is due to the overwhelming requests from fans and athletes to provide an alternative to Professional Bodybuilders and their fans worldwide. The Pro Division Inc schedule of competitions/events will be released in late February.

What Is Pro Division Inc?


Pro Division Inc is not a sport federation, but rather a corporation in the business of Bodybuilding entertainment. Our plan is to promote events by incorporating a high intensity of theatrical components; not only present the physique at it highest echelon but also to entertain the fans with veracity and excitement.

Pro Division Inc is not in competition with any other organization or federation. It is only to provide another avenue for the Bodybuilding athlete to compete on a professional level with different criteria and standards.

With the requests and comments from athletes received on a daily basis for the past year and a half, Pro Division Inc has been listening to the concerns of the competitors and will provide the following provisions requested by the athletes.

What Is Pro Division Offering?

In the series of competitions/events for 2006, Pro Division Inc will guarantee the following for athletes:

For each competition/event, a minimum of eight (8) athletes will receive full expenses.
The expense money for athletes will be $75.US per night.
Promoters will pay hotel costs for additional, if not all other competing athletes.
The minimum prize money per show will be $30,000 US.
The prize money will be raised every two years.
The five year program of Pro Division Inc is to have by the 2010 season, a schedule of 25 professional competitions/events for men spanning the globe on every major continent. Pro Division Inc competitions/events are open to all pro athletes from any federation. For information on becoming a member of Pro Division Inc or being involved with any of our events, please contact us at prodivisioninc@yahoo.com.

In addition, in subsequent press releases, details will be provided on the new judging system, contest schedule, medical benefits, affiliated federations, web sites, amateur qualifying events, drug testing, etc.

[Lmg2701]

Medical Benefits? Per Diem for competitors and so on and so on and so on..........


Bye Bye you IFBB cocksuckers.....



Just from a first glance stand point that sounds really solid!

[go Yankees]

yeah...if that's DeMilia's idea, I think I read about it in either MD or MuscleMag a little while back. The one thing I think it'll hinge on is whether or not it will get the top physiques. That is to say, will the top pros or top NPC amateurs, like, say, Garrett Alin and Jerome Ferguson (since I think they'll both turn pro this year) decide there's more for them in the PDI or continuing the path with the IFBB? MD seems to think that the fans are in it to see the freaks, like Ronnie and Markus Ruhl. While that may or may not be true, if Pro Division Inc. doesn't manage to have the appeal of the IFBB and/or NPC because of the level of the competition, I don't think it'll be a viable entity

Only time will tell, though; the IFBB/NPC does enjoy a huge market share

[THE BOUNCER]

Ah yes, that is Wayne Demilia's new federation correct? I hope it comes to light. The Mr.O was so much better when he ran it.

The year he left is the year they came out with the "Challange Round". WHat a piece of garbage that it.