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**redsquirrel** · #1 05-30-07, 12:37 PM

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but these are my beliefs. So, if you have nothing positive to say, please do not respond.

I am an active member of the ASPCA, and animal lover. I simply do not understand how anyone can put any animal in harms way for the purposes of dogfighting/death.

The recent allegations made against Michael Vick have put me on a tirrade to try and stop this type of things. I couldn't even watch the video footage on ESPN of these horrible acts. In fact, I couldn't even listen to it. It is just so completely inhumane and it infuriates me that people allow this type of behavior, and in some cases encourage it.

I am simply looking for ideas on a fundraiser or some other type of action I can take. I have looked on the ASPCA's website, but they just have a wealth of info about it; no action to take to try and help stop it.

Now, I am aware that law enforcement carries the bulk of this repsonsibility, but I refuse to just sit back and do nothing to stop this.

If anyone has a suggested course of action, that would be much appreciated.

And again- this thread is NOT in any way intended to be a debate between people who are for dogfighting.

beefcake · #2 05-30-07, 01:18 PM

I admire your views, but I just think it's almost impossible to stop underground animal fights. It's almost like underground street fighting. It can just happen anywhere very easily. It makes me feel like a fund raiser won't accomplish the goal you're trying to achieve, and possibly not even go towards the right resources to try and eliminate these kinds of events. Good luck to you.

**redsquirrel** · #3 05-30-07, 01:31 PM

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but I just think it's almost impossible to stop underground animal fights. It's almost like underground street fighting.

This is exactly the reason behind my motivation.

***THE BOUNCER*** · #4 05-30-07, 04:41 PM

agree with you 100% red. the NFL needs to flush these pieces of shit out of the game.

**ROCKETW19** · #5 05-30-07, 07:14 PM

this is no bullshit that fucker VIC should be takin out back and shot in the face. and yes i will do it! if you promiss not to send me to prison forever.
sorry red had to vent a lil. i think your idea is good but will it help? there is a web site here in california called www.badrap.org it is about pitbulls you might get some ideas from it. pit fighting is huge here and these people are tryin to help the dogs.

**redsquirrel** · #6 05-30-07, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ROCKETW19

this is no bullshit that fucker VIC should be takin out back and shot in the face. and yes i will do it! if you promiss not to send me to prison forever.
sorry red had to vent a lil. i think your idea is good but will it help? there is a web site here in california called www.badrap.org it is about pitbulls you might get some ideas from it. pit fighting is huge here and these people are tryin to help the dogs.

I totally agree. I think he should be fined out the ass and banned from the NFL- forever.

On that ESPN piece I saw, there was some sort of blobbed out faced guy who is in the dog fighting world, and he said Vick even put his OWN PET into the ring once. I cannot even begin to fathom doing that. I'm not a big fan of pit bulls, but I'm sure I'm being somehwat prejudice just based on this issue. They do scare me though. Regardless- it's a domestic animal, and someone needs to be looking out for their welfare.

I'm glad you're venting. So many people just think they can't do anything so they sit back and allow it to happen. And it's not just this- it's any issue, really.

I'll check out that website. Thanks

hlcn8 · #7 05-30-07, 10:08 PM

i can't imagine why someone would allow cruelty for their own selfish desire for entertainment...
most fund-raising would probably go towards public education, not that this stops people who are already doing it. but at least it educates others to know what to look for, and encourage them to report it.
which is about all we normal people can do; report it if we learn of it and help the organizations that take care of these damaged animals (the dogs, not the people).

**FitnessBrat** · #8 05-31-07, 06:42 AM

I applaud your determination to try to stop/help stop such a terrible, terrible "hobby". I am a dog lover and own pit bulls in particular. They're amazing creatures and unfortunately have a terrible reputation because of these morons. Please keep us updated on anything you may find out/or decide to do.

**Shibby** · #9 05-31-07, 06:55 AM

Have you tried checking with PITA?

***THE BOUNCER*** · #10 05-31-07, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shibby

Have you tried checking with PITA?

those fucking people do more harm then good. they are border line terrorist.

**FitnessBrat** · #11 05-31-07, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

those fucking people do more harm then good. they are border line terrorist.

lol - seems to be the case with any activist that is too extreme.

babyblues · #12 05-31-07, 07:37 AM

Do the dogs fight to the death? Geez, the stupid stuff people will bet on. Despite my previous conversations with Bouncer, I do think this stuff is wrong. Whether I think I'm superior to a dog or not, I agree that we do have a responsibility to take care of them. I certainly wouldn't do that to them. Have some compassion for crying out loud.

**FitnessBrat** · #13 05-31-07, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by babyblues

Do the dogs fight to the death? Geez, the stupid stuff people will bet on. Despite my previous conversations with Bouncer, I do think this stuff is wrong. Whether I think I'm superior to a dog or not, I agree that we do have a responsibility to take care of them. I certainly wouldn't do that to them. Have some compassion for crying out loud.

Often - yes. Pits have an extremely high pain tolerance and these in particular are bred for aggression and trained to fight until one of them is dead.

Gods Son · #14 05-31-07, 08:11 AM

I know Micheal Vick,or Ive meet him several times.Ive never seen or heard of dogs fighting to the death.That is total BS.These dogs are athletes and were breed for this.There not trained,there not feed weaker dogs to practice as the media would want you to think.A dog fight is conducted under strict rules.The winner is the dog that will scratch.Scratch being that after a dog turns.Turning is showing a sign of retreat.they are broken up.The dog who turned is released .he has 10 seconds to mouth the other dog.Mouth=bite.if he doesnt he loses.Not to let a Game Pit fight.,Hence GAME,Is like keeping a race horse pinned up.They are a few,I guess,that misstreat the dogs and go to far.Just like they are misinformed juice users who use to much have complications and make us all look bad.Dont get brain washed by the media Peta or other groups.

Gods Son · #15 05-31-07, 08:16 AM

Dog fighting is already a felony in most states,Misdemenor in NC.Mike should have bought a house in Raleigh LOL

**FitnessBrat** · #16 05-31-07, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gods Son

Oh man wow.Ok im from the south.Ive been to many dog Fights.I know Micheal Vick,or Ive meet him several times.Ive never seen or heard of dogs fighting to the death.That is total BS.These dogs are athletes and were breed for this.There not trained,there not feed weaker dogs to practice as the media would want you to think.A dog fight is conducted under strict rules.The winner is the dog that will scratch.Scratch being that after a dog turns.Turning is showing a sign of retreat.they are broken up.The dog who turned is released .he has 10 seconds to mouth the other dog.Mouth=bite.if he doesnt he loses.Not to let a Game Pit fight.,Hence GAME,Is like keeping a race horse pinned up.They are a few,I guess,that misstreat the dogs and go to far.Just like they are misinformed juice users who use to much have complications and make us all look bad.Dont get brain washed by the media Peta or other groups.

Wait, who did you say was "brainwashed"?

**FitnessBrat** · #17 05-31-07, 09:21 AM

I know this thread is NOT a debate about the good or bad in dogfighting, so I apologize in advance RS. However, I think education is the first step, and the post above is a prime example of the lack of...

Dogfighting Fact Sheet (from The Humane Society)

1. What is dogfighting?
Dogfighting is a sadistic "contest" in which two dogs—specifically bred, conditioned, and trained to fight—are placed in a pit (generally a small arena enclosed by plywood walls) to fight each other, for the spectators' gambling and entertainment. Fights average nearly an hour in length and often last more than two hours. Dogfights end when one of the dogs is no longer willing or able to continue. In addition to these dogfights, there are reports of an increase in unorganized, more spontaneous street fights in urban areas.

2. How does it cause animal suffering?

The injuries inflicted and sustained by dogs participating in dogfights are frequently severe, even fatal. The American pit bull terriers used in the majority of these fights have been specifically bred and trained for fighting and are unrelenting in their attempts to overcome their opponents. With their extremely powerful jaws, they are able to inflict severe bruising, deep puncture wounds, and broken bones.

Dogs used in these events often die of blood loss, shock, dehydration, exhaustion, or infection hours or even days after the fight. Other animals are often sacrificed as well. Some owners train their dogs for fights using smaller animals such as cats, rabbits, or small dogs. These "bait" animals are often stolen pets or animals obtained through "free to good home" advertisements.

3. Are there other concerns?
Yes. Numerous law enforcement raids have unearthed many disturbing facets of this illegal "sport." Young children are sometimes present at the events, which can promote insensitivity to animal suffering, enthusiasm for violence, and a lack of respect for the law. Illegal gambling is the norm at dogfights. Dog owners and spectators wager thousands of dollars on their favorites. Firearms and other weapons have been found at dogfights because of the large amounts of cash present. And dogfighting has been connected to other kinds of violence—even homicide, according to newspaper reports. In addition, illegal drugs are often sold and used at dogfights.

4. What other effects does the presence of dogfighting have on people and animals in a community?

Dogs used for fighting have been bred for many generations to be dangerously aggressive toward other animals. The presence of these dogs in a community increases the risk of attacks not only on other animals but also on people. Children are especially at risk, because their small size may cause a fighting dog to perceive a child as another animal.

5. Why should dogfighting be a felony offense?
There are several compelling reasons. Because dogfighting yields such large profits for participants, the minor penalties associated with misdemeanor convictions are not a sufficient deterrent. Dogfighters merely absorb these fines as part of the cost of doing business. The cruelty inherent in dogfighting should be punished by more than a slap on the hand. Dogfighting is not a spur-of-the-moment act; it is a premeditated and cruel practice.

Those involved in dogfighting go to extensive lengths to avoid detection by law enforcement, so investigations can be difficult, dangerous, and expensive. Law enforcement officials are more inclined to investigate dogfighting if it is a felony. As more states make dogfighting a felony offense, those remaining states with low penalties will become magnets for dogfighters.

6. Do some states already have felony laws?
Yes. Dogfighting is illegal in all 50 states and a felony offense in almost every state.

7. Should being a spectator also be a felony?

Yes. Spectators provide much of the profit associated with dogfighting. The money generated by admission fees and gambling helps keep this "sport" alive. Because dogfights are illegal and therefore not widely publicized, spectators do not merely happen upon a fight; they seek it out. They are willing participants who support a criminal activity through their paid admission and attendance.

8. What can I do to help stop dogfighting?

If you live in one of the states where dogfighting is still only a misdemeanor, please write to your state legislators and urge them to make it a felony. To find out how your state treats dogfighting, visit our page on State Dogfighting Laws.

We encourage you also to write letters to the media to increase public awareness of the dangers of dogfighting and to law enforcement officials to urge them to take the issue seriously. We have provided sample letters in this packet. You may want to display our dogfighting poster in your community; additional copies can be ordered from The HSUS.

If you suspect that dogfighting is going on in your own neighborhood, alert your local law enforcement agency and urge agency officials to contact The HSUS for practical tools, advice, and assistance.

**FitnessBrat** · #18 05-31-07, 09:25 AM

This is the Humane Society's fight against animal fighting campaign. It says you can get pamphlets and posters about prevention. Also encourages people to write letters, etc.

http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/anima...e_final_round/

Gods Son · #19 05-31-07, 09:27 AM

maam I apologize but that so called fact sheet was written by the human society.What does the FDA say about gear use?Did you know dog seized from dog fighters are killed by the human society??? Pot calling keetle black i think.

Gods Son · #20 05-31-07, 09:33 AM

I understand you want to help and you should if itll make you feel better.There are just a lot of misconceptions.I never saw a dog killed.I never saw a dog badly mangled.IT DOESNT HAPPEN.5 of the 8 points the HS is trying to make are False.I promise

**FitnessBrat** · #21 05-31-07, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gods Son

maam I apologize but that so called fact sheet was written by the human society.What does the FDA say about gear use?Im very in the know on dog fighting.Did you know dog seized from dog fighters are killed by the human society??? Pot calling keetle black i think.

Of course it was - they are the ones fighting to prevent the sport. The FDA says AAS is illegal - and it is, and there are people trying to prevent sales/usage. Don't act like there have NOT been cases where people HAVE been harmed by AAS usage. However, this is about animal cruelty. You and I choose to ingest illegal substances - your dog does not get those choices. I DO know that dogs are euthanized after being bred to fight - they are aggressive and can be a real danger to people and other animals. I own dogs, pits in particular - there is no way I would adopt a dog bred for fighting/an "ex" fighter into my home with my children.

**FitnessBrat** · #22 05-31-07, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gods Son

I understand you want to help and you should if itll make you feel better.There are just a lot of misconceptions.It is a brutal sport,it is illegal.Ive been around it since 85 i guess.I never saw a dog killed.I never saw a dog badly mangled.IT DOESNT HAPPEN.5 of the 8 points the HS is trying to make are False.I promise

Say we take out the death factor (although there are plenty of reported cases, photos, etc that it does happen). The fact is you are paying/watching innocent dogs made to fight/bleed/hurt/harm - that is just not cool. It is our responsibility to take care of animals - not harm them. If you want to watch a fight - watch people - at least they were given the option.....