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**redsquirrel** · #1 07-17-07, 06:36 PM

It broke my heart to read through this whole article. The things that were done to these animals just sickens me. They never asked for this life. Man's best friend treated as a wild animal, a savage.

But on the bright side, I can't be happier that authorities have finally made a case.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP&gt1=10239

**blm** · #2 07-17-07, 06:39 PM

I would love to see someone of his celebrity status convicted and sentenced to the full extent like an average joe would, but we all know that won't happen.

**redsquirrel** · #3 07-17-07, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blm

I would love to see someone of his celebrity status convicted and sentenced to the full extent like an average joe would, but we all know that won't happen.

I would love for it to happen as well. You never know though,...I'm sure the ASPCA will get involved, and they will push for him to get the full penalty imposed by law. This isn't as important as terrorism, or WMD; but it is contributing to the deterioration of values in this country. Who knows- maybe he will get a ball busting judge & jury. At least he's been indicted...that's HUGE. A person of his status will have this on his record forever. He's going to court- it's not like a sexual harassment case or something that can be settled.

I'm really interested to see what the NFL's response to this will be. Some game suspensions, or complete ban from the league would be fine with me. Because guess what- had he not had this celebrity status, and all of the money and fame that go with it- my guess would be this ring he had on his property wouldn't have been near as big as it was; if it would've existed at all. So, as the NFL, they have to assign not so much blame, but a contributor. Because in an indirect way, they contributed to his ability to engage in such a disgusting and inhumane sport.

**FitnessBrat** · #4 07-18-07, 06:23 AM

Absolutely disgusting - I sure as hell hope they make an "example" out of him/them.

Scrumhalf · #5 07-18-07, 07:13 AM

Grotesque. The Vick brothers sure are a couple of prizewinners....

Gods Son · #6 07-18-07, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by blm

I would love to see someone of his celebrity status convicted and sentenced to the full extent like an average joe would, but we all know that won't happen.

The average joe would have never gotten FED charges especially on a first offense,with no prior criminal.Im sure Vick will be OK.Im sure he can afford a lawyer,and the guys testifying against him have long criminal records,Itll be another he said she said acquital.

**FitnessBrat** · #7 07-18-07, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gods Son

The average joe would have never gotten FED charges especially on a first offense,with no prior criminal.Im sure Vick will be OK.Im sure he can afford a lawyer,and the guys testifying against him have long criminal records,Itll be another he said she said acquital.

You still think the animals are well taken care of? Or that my statement about them dying/being put to death is bogus?

grnmchn · #8 07-18-07, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by redsquirrel

I would love for it to happen as well. You never know though,...I'm sure the ASPCA will get involved, and they will push for him to get the full penalty imposed by law. This isn't as important as terrorism, or WMD; but it is contributing to the deterioration of values in this country. Who knows- maybe he will get a ball busting judge & jury. At least he's been indicted...that's HUGE. A person of his status will have this on his record forever. He's going to court- it's not like a sexual harassment case or something that can be settled.

I'm really interested to see what the NFL's response to this will be. Some game suspensions, or complete ban from the league would be fine with me. Because guess what- had he not had this celebrity status, and all of the money and fame that go with it- my guess would be this ring he had on his property wouldn't have been near as big as it was; if it would've existed at all. So, as the NFL, they have to assign not so much blame, but a contributor. Because in an indirect way, they contributed to his ability to engage in such a disgusting and inhumane sport.

As far al NFL punishment goes, if it goes to trial (which could go either way) that could take up to a year with all the BS lawyer tactics. That being said, I think he'll play this season for sure with no punishment. I think the NFL will wait until a verdict is reached or an aqcuital before levying a punishment. They are not going to step out there with out proof. Plus, this is a first time offense and from the previous few NFL conduct cases, they appear to be going after the repeat offenders.

Hopefully, the lawyers won't be able to wiggle him out of this and he'll have to own up to being a punk ass thug! Why the fuck would someone pulling in $130 million get into dog fighting? Blows my mind! You'd figure that kind of wealth could buy you some class......

Gods Son · #9 07-18-07, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FitnessBrat

You still think the animals are well taken care of? Or that my statement about them dying/being put to death is bogus?

I heard the news story,There were dogs found on his property.I thinbk vicks lawyers will ask for autopsys on the dogs and blow the feds mind as i heard they already desposed of the carcusses.The alleged hanging,electrocution,the funniest one picking up the dogs and throwing them to the ground till it kills them.Sounds a little far fetched,but when you got a witness who is facing life in prison the storys get better.He may have killed some dogs,I dont know.If any of these outrageous storys about the way he killed them are proven true,then he deserves what he gets.Until then he is completely innocent

Gods Son · #10 07-18-07, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by grnmchn

As far al NFL punishment goes, if it goes to trial (which could go either way) that could take up to a year with all the BS lawyer tactics. That being said, I think he'll play this season for sure with no punishment. I think the NFL will wait until a verdict is reached or an aqcuital before levying a punishment. They are not going to step out there with out proof. Plus, this is a first time offense and from the previous few NFL conduct cases, they appear to be going after the repeat offenders.

Hopefully, the lawyers won't be able to wiggle him out of this and he'll have to own up to being a punk ass thug! Why the fuck would someone pulling in $130 million get into dog fighting? Blows my mind! You'd figure that kind of wealth could buy you some class......

That dont sound like someone from alabama talking :hmmm:Oh yeah it does,Vick doesnt look like me or you.But i happen to know Alabama is a dog fighting strong hold.

**FitnessBrat** · #11 07-18-07, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gods Son

That dont sound like someone from alabama talking :hmmm:Oh yeah it does,Vick doesnt look like me or you.

What does that mean?

grnmchn · #12 07-18-07, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gods Son

That dont sound like someone from alabama talking :hmmm:Oh yeah it does,Vick doesnt look like me or you.But i happen to know Alabama is a dog fighting strong hold.

Man, I have an American Bulldog and am good friends with various people throughout the bulldog world. Many bulldogs are used in sport, to hunt, bitework, schutzhund, etc. I train my dog and take him to shows where they do weight pulls and hang times.....I don't have a problem at all using a dog for working purposes, but fighting is not sport work. These bully breed dogs have natural aggression and drive in their blood, but that doesn't mean they should be harnessed to use it against another dog. My dog naturally wants to chase and catch other animals, but good dog owners work their dog in a positive manor.

I'm not completely sure what your comment about being from AL ment, but I took it as since I am from AL I should be fine with dog fighting. Yes, dog fighting is prevalent in the south. It is prevalent because it is a poor man activity. Poor southerns fight dogs as a means of income, because they either too stupid to get a job or too lazy. I don't condone that shit 1 bit.

The one objection I have to this whole scandal is the so called "fighting equipment". Me and people I know use some of these things to train with to get our dogs in the best shape possible. I have a spring pole and have ran my dog on a treadmill, but to tie that in general to dog fighting is ridiculous. Spring poles built head and neck strength that help with bitework, weight pull, and hang time comps. It is also great exercise for bully breed dogs that need to burn a lot of energy to stay out of trouble. Many treadmills are used to get dogs in shape for weight pulls and the show ring. The media spins that in a bad light, that I do not agree with.

fog_hat1981 · #13 07-18-07, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrumhalf

Grotesque. The Vick brothers sure are a couple of prizewinners....

**redsquirrel** · #14 07-18-07, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gods Son

The average joe would have never gotten FED charges especially on a first offense,with no prior criminal.

Don't be so sure about this. Keep in mind this is a FEDERAL indictment. A FEDERAL grand jury chose to indict Vick. A federal grand jury may not have indicted him, but the average joe would've been punished to the full extent of the law....It just wouldn't be as publicized as this. This isn't some podunk sheriff trying to make a name for himself. Regardless, dogs were found on his property; along with dog fighting equipment....and of course the witnesses. Talk about a smoking gun...

But, let's go with your theory for a second. Let's say they are making an example of him because he is a celebrity. Better yet, they are making an example of him because he is supposed to be a ROLE MODEL. Why is such a rich man competing in such a poor man's sport?

ROCKETW19 · #15 07-18-07, 04:50 PM

all the news paper storys could or couldnt be true we will never know and they will write what ever sells the papers best. if any of that stuff is true they should just hang that lil fag. i just happened to be petting my pit bull as i was reading the story and its just crazy thinking of fighting my dog, never in a million years.

Gods Son · #16 07-18-07, 04:50 PM

The ave joe would have been tried by state law and givin a suspended sentence probably a fine and probation.Ive seen guys a LOT bigger than him, in the dog world,Get tried state law.How do you guys think Vet roids started circulating?Dog fighters and Vets who condoned it.A lot of vets who understand the breed do condone it.The killing of dogs is unheard of in the main stream circuit.If he did it,and in the manner the charges state.to hell with him.

beefcake · #17 07-18-07, 05:00 PM

For the federal government to prosecute someone that is well known like he is, it produces an example that gets seen and heard around the country. You can't really accomplish that by going after joe blow. No one will really hear about it or really care. But a celebrity, now everyone can see the severity of these kinds of actions. Too fucking bad for him, that's the price you pay for making the salary you get. Just like cops, you're in the limelight of the public, you're held to a higher standard. You can't go out and get drunk and fuck hookers like everyone else can otherwise society will be unforgiving.

Turbo3000 · #18 07-18-07, 08:32 PM

I am a dog lover and also a Falcon's fan. I was tired of Vick as a football player 2 seasons ago, and I am now done with him as a human being. He will end up paying a fine and being done with it. I am done with him and I will not watch a Falcon's game or attend one until he is off the field, but that is also because I think he is horrible at football.

I live in Atlanta btw...short side store here...one day the radio was taking calls about dumb things people had witnessed...this one electrician or ac guy calls in and said he had to do some work at Vicks house in Atlanta..and he said that one of the outlets was turned horizontal, so dumb Vick turned the mini fridge he had plugged into it horizontal also....dunno if made up or not, but damn funny and I believe it is true.

**FitnessBrat** · #19 07-19-07, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by grnmchn

Man, I have an American Bulldog and am good friends with various people throughout the bulldog world. Many bulldogs are used in sport, to hunt, bitework, schutzhund, etc. I train my dog and take him to shows where they do weight pulls and hang times.....I don't have a problem at all using a dog for working purposes, but fighting is not sport work. These bully breed dogs have natural aggression and drive in their blood, but that doesn't mean they should be harnessed to use it against another dog. My dog naturally wants to chase and catch other animals, but good dog owners work their dog in a positive manor.

I'm not completely sure what your comment about being from AL ment, but I took it as since I am from AL I should be fine with dog fighting. Yes, dog fighting is prevalent in the south. It is prevalent because it is a poor man activity. Poor southerns fight dogs as a means of income, because they either too stupid to get a job or too lazy. I don't condone that shit 1 bit.

The one objection I have to this whole scandal is the so called "fighting equipment". Me and people I know use some of these things to train with to get our dogs in the best shape possible. I have a spring pole and have ran my dog on a treadmill, but to tie that in general to dog fighting is ridiculous. Spring poles built head and neck strength that help with bitework, weight pull, and hang time comps. It is also great exercise for bully breed dogs that need to burn a lot of energy to stay out of trouble. Many treadmills are used to get dogs in shape for weight pulls and the show ring. The media spins that in a bad light, that I do not agree with.

You can't look at it like that. You have to realize they are trying to build a case. They didn't say that anyone owning a treadmill or springpole commits animal cruelty. They're gathering evidence to prove it wasn't just a random occurance that happened on Vicks property - it was a "facility" complete with all the equipment to run a dog-fighting ring.

grnmchn · #20 07-19-07, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FitnessBrat

You can't look at it like that. You have to realize they are trying to build a case. They didn't say that anyone owning a treadmill or springpole commits animal cruelty. They're gathering evidence to prove it wasn't just a random occurance that happened on Vicks property - it was a "facility" complete with all the equipment to run a dog-fighting ring.

Oh, I know FB, but just like the Benoit steroid deal, the media makes people who don't know better believe what they want them to. I know those things help build the feds case, but the media focuses in on things that are questionable instead of going after the things that are solid. The media sucks in general, that was my point

**redsquirrel** · #21 07-19-07, 08:53 AM

Update...

So it looks as though Vick will be arraigned on the same day, and almost the same time as the Falcon's first practice of the year. Aww... poor thing. At which time he will obviously plead Not Guilty (he insists he spent very little time at the property, and had no idea this was going on). Trial will then be 60-75 days after that, but I'm sure we will have all kinds of pre-trail motions to invoke further delay. He will also have the option to have a bench trial (2 judges decide if he is guilty), or he can choose to have a jury trial....which would you choose? I'm on the fence. In some respects I think he has a better shot of an acquittal with a jury trial, but then he may get the maximum from a jury as well.

45% of people polled on ESPN think Vick should be released, and another 45% think they should wait for the verdict. What's funny is, this trial will be smack dab in the middle of his season. And there is very little chance the Falcons will let their QB go to court say, Tues- Fri., and then come back to practice with the team for a Sunday game. It's impossible for the team to have any continuity. It's not the same as how Kobe did that during his thing....And of course, Kobe's case wasn't a federal case. Regardless, this season for Vick is totally fucked.