FINALLY- someone is taking action

[Gods Son]

Originally Posted by redsquirrel

I'm saying it's the same PRINCIPLE. And I did preface my comment by saying "I would venture to say"...I'm simply trying to get my point across that it is a very serious and heinous act. Rape and animal abuse are totally different. So allow me to rephrase- I would say animal abuse and child abuse is "ALMOST" the same.

No where near the SAMe,my god ,Child abuse is worse than murder.No matter how you word it.Dog fighting isnt worse than any human crime.Simple Battery is worse than Dog Fighting ..IM sorry I think your way off base

[Gods Son]

Who hear wears leather shoes? It was a vicious murder killing that Cow LOL

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by Gods Son

Who hear wears leather shoes? It was a vicious murder killing that Cow LOL

But mcdonalds already killed the cow for the big mac. We're just making sure we use everything and waste nothing. LOL

[phatchopper]

Originally Posted by Gods Son

No where near the SAMe,my god ,Child abuse is worse than murder.No matter how you word it.Dog fighting isnt worse than any human crime.Simple Battery is worse than Dog Fighting ..IM sorry I think your way off base

Fuck that I could care less about some dumbass getting his face beat in but you start beating on an animal that is just trying to please you and do what he was taught then I have issues, so I think you my friend are the one who is off base.

[babyblues]

I'm still a believer in the "innocent until proven guilty" idea and I don't trust the freakin media. There's also a huge difference between owning a dog fighting kennel and knowingly participating in the killing of dogs in the manner alledged. He hasn't denied owning the kennel, but he has denied that he knew what they were doing there. Let's not lynch the guy just because of an allegation. The only "witnesses" I see mentioned in the article were opponent witnesses. You're going to take the word of other dog fighters? If he's guilty, he'll be convicted. Sure, it doesn't always work that way, but you still have to trust the system anyway because that's all we got.

I don't think it's right to wish the guy's life ruined either. That's vindictive and potentially dangerous, even in a post on the internet. I saw on SportsCenter the other day that one of the guys was questioning whether you should let your kid wear a Vick jersey. Are you kidding me? Would you have a problem with your kid wearing a Babe Ruth jersey? Or a Ty Cobb jersey? Babe Ruth was a womanizer and a drunk and Ty Cobb was an asshole with a nasty temper. He went into the crowd once and beat a freakin cripple who was heckling him. In their day, that was about as heinous as could get for a professional athlete.

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone dog fighting. It think it's incredibly irresponsible and reckless and shouldn't be tolerated, certainly. And while Vick is an incredibly gifted athlete, he's also a freakin douchebag. But he's also a human being and deserves the right to a fair trial and the benefit of being considered innocent until proven guilty.

[bonebreaker]

I'll bet you $1,000,000.00 to a doughnut hole that before it's all over with, Vick's attorney's will play the "race card". Whether it helps or not, who knows. But it will happen. BB

[rado]

Originally Posted by bonebreaker

I'll bet you $1,000,000.00 to a doughnut hole that before it's all over with, Vick's attorney's will play the "race card". Whether it helps or not, who knows. But it will happen. BB

I agree/\

[redsquirrel]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

the biggest punishment will be from the NFL. they have to do something drastic due to the image problem they have. i doubt he will play this year.

And it looks like they have!!!! Woo hoo!! Sounds like Vick will have to put his bells away for awhile, GS.

NFL commissioner told the press this morning that he has asked Vick NOT to show up for training camp....

:bravonew:

[rado]

I've been hearing how he "didn't know" this was going on in his grounds...Said he was renting the house to his cousin

They need to stick that MOFO in with those dogs and let them have their day with him

What a POS They need to shoot that fucking gorilla in the ass and make him squeal like a pig....

http://www.latimes.com/sports/printe...ines-pe-sports

Vick ordered to stay away from training camp
NFL Commissioner Goodell tells Falcons quarterback not to report until the league reviews the dogfighting charges against him.
By Lance Pugmire, Times Staff Writer
July 24, 2007


The NFL on Monday ordered Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick to stay away from the team's training camp until the league reviews the federal dogfighting charges against him.

In a letter written by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, the quarterback was told, "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the personal conduct policy."

Vick was not immediately available for comment Monday, and telephone messages left late Monday night for his attorney in Virginia were not returned. The Falcons scheduled a news conference today to discuss the league's stance.

The Falcons open training camp in Flowery Branch, Ga., on Thursday, the same day Vick, 27, is scheduled to appear inside a U.S. District courtroom in Richmond, Va. Attorneys are expected to decide at the hearing whether they will request a jury trial or a bench trial heard by a federal judge.

Vick, the league's former No. 1 overall draft pick from Virginia Tech who directed the Falcons to the NFC championship game in 2005, was indicted by a federal grand jury last week. The charges allege he was a central figure with three others who violated laws against dogfighting and gambling while operating Bad Newz Kennels on property Vick owns in Surry, Va.

The indictment alleged pit bulls that didn't fare well in fights were executed by hanging, drowning, electrocution, shooting and beating. Vick faces a maximum sentence of six years in prison and $350,000 in fines if convicted.

Vick hasn't publicly discussed the dogfighting case since April, when he denied involvement.

But animal rights groups have railed against the quarterback since the indictment, holding demonstrations such as Monday's in Flowery Branch, where an estimated four dozen people protested in a rally organized by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. They held signs reading "Kick Vick," "Tackle Cruelty" and "Sack Vick!"

"Just because he's famous, he shouldn't get off the hook," said Emory Lewman, 12, of Sandy Springs, Ga. "What he did was terrible."

The Humane Society of the United States said the NFL "rightly recognized that it just cannot be business as usual for Vick and the Falcons with this chilling set of facts laid out in the federal indictment," President and Chief Executive Wayne Pacelle said.

"The NFL has taken an important first step, and it is our sincerest hope that Michael Vick not suit up for play prior to the resolution of these serious charges in federal court."

Vick will still receive preseason pay, and Goodell told the Falcons to withhold any disciplinary action of their own until the league's review was completed.

The NFL said Goodell informed Vick in the letter that "the review would be completed as soon as possible and that Vick's full cooperation is expected."

The commissioner's order came after league sources said last week Goodell wanted Vick to take a paid leave of absence but the quarterback was resisting, saying he wanted to play football.

Because of his legal calendar, Vick could relinquish his job to Falcons backup quarterback Joey Harrington, who has struggled in starting jobs with the Detroit Lions and Miami Dolphins.

Goodell's decision follows his crackdown since a string of player arrests subjected the league to criticism for not properly disciplining players who run afoul of the law. Goodell previously suspended Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, Cincinnati Bengals receiver Chris Henry and Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson for all or part of the 2007 season.

Vick is 'the most high-profile of the NFL's legally troubled players — he earned $20 million in salary and endorsements last year. In April, the league summoned the quarterback to the NFL draft as a guest speaker during a tribute to those killed and wounded during the Virginia Tech campus shootings this year.

Since the indictment, Falcons owner Arthur Blank has announced he was "saddened and distressed" by Vick's case, Nike has suspended the release of a new Vick shoe, and Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) has called for the player's immediate suspension.

NFL Players Assn. spokesman Carl Francis declined to comment on Vick. Francis said "it's possible" that the union would issue a statement today.

[redsquirrel]

Originally Posted by rado

I've been hearing how he "didn't know" this was going on in his grounds...Said he was renting the house to his cousin

They need to stick that MOFO in with those dogs and let them have their day with him

What a POS They need to shoot that fucking gorilla in the ass and make him squeal like a pig....

I couldn't agree more..

And what really infuriates me the most, is why? What did these animals do to deserve this?

Most of all, why couldn't he just dump them off at a shelter and allow them to be euthanized humanely. Or, even worst case- why make the dog suffer even more in his death? Can he not show mercy and give them a quick death?

[rado]

Originally Posted by redsquirrel

I couldn't agree more..

And what really infuriates me the most, is why? What did these animals do to deserve this?

Most of all, why couldn't he just dump them off at a shelter and allow them to be euthanized humanely. Or, even worst case- why make the dog suffer even more in his death? Can he not show mercy and give them a quick death?

Well dog fights can be traced back way back...Kind of like going in the woods and hunting for deer...Is that any better? Since I've been living in Ohio for 3 weeks now, I've seen more dear heads in the back of trucks more than I can stomach.

Kind of like cock fighting that originated in Mexico...Is that fucked up or what? Of course...Regardless it's not right...The motherfucker should pay and the court system should make an example out of him; but that will not happen

[redsquirrel]

Originally Posted by rado

The motherfucker should pay and the court system should make an example out of him; but that will not happen

Maybe, maybe not...

Regardless if he is proven guilty or not, he's guilty in the court of public opinion- and that's enough for me right now. I understand he's hired a really good attorney (I should hope so) who used to be a federal prosecutor. The other thing he has working against him is animal rights activists, i.e.; PETA, the Humane Society, etc. That's one factor that all of the other athletes didn't have to deal with, or receive pressure from. In your standard run of the mill criminal case, you have the prosecution and the defense. You factor in another heavy interest in seeking justice, and it's going to be a circus

[Gods Son]

Yeah I heard the lil punk commisioners statement.I think its ridiculous.He is being punished without being proven guilty.Its a shame this country has lost it all.The constitution doesnt mean shit.Its a day im embarressed of being american.If hes proven guilty,which from what ive heard is very unlikely,then punish him.I will not be watching any NFL from now on or until there is a new commisioner.I urge everyone who believes in the OLD american way of life to do the same.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Gods Son

Yeah I heard the lil punk commisioners statement.I think its ridiculous.He is being punished without being proven guilty.Its a shame this country has lost it all.The constitution doesnt mean shit.Its a day im embarressed of being american.If hes proven guilty,which from what ive heard is very unlikely,then punish him.I will not be watching any NFL from now on or until there is a new commisioner.I urge everyone who believes in the OLD american way of life to do the same.

the south lost the war. get over it.

[rado]

Originally Posted by redsquirrel

I understand he's hired a really good attorney (I should hope so) who used to be a federal prosecutor

MOST atty's have been formers prosecutor's...But with his money, it will be easy for him to hire a hot shot atty.

But he'll probably walk on this.

[Gods Son]

If the south would have won we wouldnt be talking about this.Id be in the NFL because the talent level would be so low.LOL

[rado]

Originally Posted by Gods Son

Yeah I heard the lil punk commisioners statement.I think its ridiculous.He is being punished without being proven guilty.Its a shame this country has lost it all.The constitution doesnt mean shit.Its a day im embarressed of being american.If hes proven guilty,which from what ive heard is very unlikely,then punish him.I will not be watching any NFL from now on or until there is a new commisioner.I urge everyone who believes in the OLD american way of life to do the same.

You could watch Soccer

[rado]

Originally Posted by Gods Son

If the south would have won we wouldnt be talking about this.Id be in the NFL because the talent level would be so low.LOL

:laughnew:

lol...If and only If

[Gods Son]

If the glove dont fit you must acquit. I cant spell but anyway.I think Vick should sue the NFL as soon as this is over.Then sue NIKE.Asacp peta sue them all for slandering a innocent man.LOL if he did it prove it.Or forget it

[rado]

Originally Posted by Gods Son

If the glove dont fit you must acquit. I cant spell but anyway.I think Vick should sue the NFL as soon as this is over.Then sue NIKE.Asacp peta sue them all for slandering a innocent man.LOL if he did it prove it.Or forget it

Let me ask you something;

What do you know about the FEDS? Do you know anything? They just don't hand out indictment's for no reason...You need to read the indictment and see just how much evidence is against him...FED's hate to lose and therefore when indictment's are handed out, they stick.

This whole innocecnt until proven guilty has been dead due to the MEDIA.

[redsquirrel]

And in addition, a FEDERAL GRAND JURY handed down this indictment. It isn't like some podunk locality trying to get in the papers.