What the fuck????

[NewbieChris]

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In what fucking socialist cock sucking country do we live??? WHAT THE HELL????

[THE BOUNCER]

I don't know Chris, when Sana would go to work in Manhattan she took the train. There was zero security, anyone could get on the train with anything they wanted. I was always scared for her.

[NewbieChris]

Maybe we should put check points along all major high ways with military police to patrol roads...just in case a crazy sniper wants to shoot at cars on a highway. Maybe we should put armed guards on buses? Maybe we should have armed guards constantly roaming beaches...F-22's flying over head to make sure a terrorist controlled plane can't crash into a building? Where does it stop? What is safe enough? How much freedom and convenience do we give up for protection?

I am furious about this. All I can say is I don't think I will be taking a train anytime soon because of this. I know I would get into a verbal disagreement with some machine gun toting rent a cop...

[THE BOUNCER]

i hear what your saying but when you actually are in that situation and going into a city like NYC things get put into perspective. something that holds as many people as a train does should at least have some kind of security.

i hear what your saying and i agree to a point, its just that when it is you and yours on the train, a little security makes you feel a bit better.

[NewbieChris]

A little security? We went from none to something like what they have in Israel. That may work for a country in the East Asia, but not here. I want to make it clear I am not telling you how to feel when I say this. However, its not like I don't have cousins who live in NYC and commute there. I have taken a train across the country...Post 9/11 and before. I honestly wouldn't feel any safer. I feel the same way about airport security. Having gone through it so many times, I can tell you it means nothing to me. I put my bag on conveyor belt. I could EASILY have something in my pockets. And I've NEVER been stopped. In fact, I had a water bottle in a pair of water in cargo shorts one time flying from LAX to Philly. Not because I wanted to be an ass, but because I'm used to having things there and I didn't even realize I had it until I walked through.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

A little security? We went from none to something like what they have in Israel. That may work for a country in the East Asia, but not here. I want to make it clear I am not telling you how to feel when I say this. However, its not like I don't have cousins who live in NYC and commute there. I have taken a train across the country...Post 9/11 and before. I honestly wouldn't feel any safer. I feel the same way about airport security. Having gone through it so many times, I can tell you it means nothing to me. I put my bag on conveyor belt. I could EASILY have something in my pockets. And I've NEVER been stopped. In fact, I had a water bottle in a pair of water in cargo shorts one time flying from LAX to Philly. Not because I wanted to be an ass, but because I'm used to having things there and I didn't even realize I had it until I walked through.

i hear ya and like i said i agree with your point. but at least on a plain, you cant just walk on with a bomb in your bag. on trains, you could do just that without a problem.

the article you posted with the automatic weapons and such is a little extreme, i agree. but i would like to see at least some type of security over what we have now on trains which is none.

[NewbieChris]

Well you are seeing security, because the gun toting rent a cop is the tentative plan. And on a plane you CAN walk your bag on, and even then, the water bottle is all you need to create a small bomb. Its all really more of a 'feeling' of safety than anything, IMO.

[THE BOUNCER]

just admit that a plane at least has a certain level of security whereas a train has none at all.

[NewbieChris]

I agree with that. I don't know. It just doesn't make me feel any safer when I'm on the plane. Either way I'm over it. I slept that shit off, even though I still think its ridiculous.

[Timber]

Personally I think Video cameras in every public facility would be a greater value not just for terrorist issues but crime in general. Your a lot less likely to be robed if the perp thinks he is on tape somewhere. The world has changed and your freedom has a price & some of the price is freedom itself. You're simply going to have to learn to live with it.

[Shibby]

My take is this, if I am out in public somewhere with my son there isn't a thing I wouldn't do to protect him. If that means having him see guys with guns and explaining it to him versus him being blown up, fine with me. That's just the world we live in now. If we don't adapt and try too hard to hang on to the past we will end up being at constant war and everything will look like a third world country.

I wish the world was safe enough to leave my door unlocked all the time, but that's not going to happen.

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by Timber

The world has changed and your freedom has a price & some of the price is freedom itself. You're simply going to have to learn to live with it.

Actually, no the world has not changed. There have been terrorist since the beginning of time. There has been the threat of danger and attack for nearly 150 years. War, disillusionment, everything has all been there.

I think it was Ben Franklin who said, "Those that would give up freedom in the name of safety deserve neither." Price my fucking ass. When you take away freedoms you take away the very thing you claim to be saving. Its terribly moronic logic.

Originally Posted by shibby

My take is this, if I am out in public somewhere with my son there isn't a thing I wouldn't do to protect him. If that means having him see guys with guns and explaining it to him versus him being blown up, fine with me. That's just the world we live in now. If we don't adapt and try too hard to hang on to the past we will end up being at constant war and everything will look like a third world country.

I wish the world was safe enough to leave my door unlocked all the time, but that's not going to happen.

See, fear is a major component used by the government, media, whatever to control the masses. Have either of you ever visited an East Asian country? Israel? Egypt? The ratio of being blown up by a terrorist vs. not is pretty goddam slim. By letting your fear of such a thing allow you to give up freedoms you have, you are telling terrorists their actions are working.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

See, fear is a major component used by the government, media, whatever to control the masses. Have either of you ever visited an East Asian country? Israel? Egypt? The ratio of being blown up by a terrorist vs. not is pretty goddam slim. By letting your fear of such a thing allow you to give up freedoms you have, you are telling terrorists their actions are working.

First you will think different once you have kids. Also being in another country and having a terrorist attack is not the same as here. We are a giant bulls eye. Some of it is media bull shit, but 9/11 still happened, the bombings in England still happened, so the lack of security and the potential of something happening do not sit well with me.


Do you leave your doors unlocked all the time?

[The_Grinder]

I just read the article. Didn't seem that bad. Considering the do some test to detect for explosives before they decide to even open your bag or not, I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as they stick to their word of the delay only being a couple of minutes.

[Timber]

[quote=NewbieChris;426150]Actually, no the world has not changed. There have been terrorist since the beginning of time. There has been the threat of danger and attack for nearly 150 years. War, disillusionment, everything has all been there.

I think it was Ben Franklin who said, "Those that would give up freedom in the name of safety deserve neither." Price my fucking ass. When you take away freedoms you take away the very thing you claim to be saving. Its terribly moronic logic.

I guess I just have a different perspective on things than you

[THE BOUNCER]

[quote=Timber;426178]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

Actually, no the world has not changed. There have been terrorist since the beginning of time. There has been the threat of danger and attack for nearly 150 years. War, disillusionment, everything has all been there.

I think it was Ben Franklin who said, "Those that would give up freedom in the name of safety deserve neither." Price my fucking ass. When you take away freedoms you take away the very thing you claim to be saving. Its terribly moronic logic.

I guess I just have a different perspective on things than you

umm, that quote from Ben Franklin actually backs NewbieChris's argument more then yours. lol.

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by Shibby

First you will think different once you have kids. Also being in another country and having a terrorist attack is not the same as here. We are a giant bulls eye. Some of it is media bull shit, but 9/11 still happened, the bombings in England still happened, so the lack of security and the potential of something happening do not sit well with me.


Do you leave your doors unlocked all the time?

Unless I am gone for extended periods of time, no. In fact I just went shopping this morning and didn't lock my car once and I don't drive a piece of shit, so I would assume that it would be a target for theft. I hope having kids doesn't change my mind. I don't want my kids living in fear, when the statistical possibility of a bombing in America is so low. Lower than a crazy fucking American shooting you, thats for sure. The idea that Al-Qaeda is an enormous threat is so inflated. In your life, statistically, how many times have you heard of an Al-Qaeda attack on American soil? And how many of them were geared on such a small scale as a train bombing? The two I can recall were planned out much more detail than the one train bombing in Britain and Spain.

As for comparing America to East Asian countries...your point is my exact point, but the opposite. If we are such a target, why are we hit less than them? Our being a major enemy has nothing to do with the likely hood that we will be hit. These people are crazy and hate just about every western influence. Especially the western influence that is a shinning gem to their porous rock. Israel is easier to target and closer. Therefore the resources it takes to attack them is easier. I would argue its more difficult and the marginal benefit of a train bombing in the US, or even a European country for that matter, is not worth it to them. That is why they plan huge, elaborate schemes when attacking the US and why we see less suicide bombings in Europe.

The possibility that you will be killed by an Al-Qaeda operative is less than the probability that I will be shot on my schools campus by some unstable individual. And even then, both of those probabilities are small enough that I don't believe we need armed guards at train stations, much like communist and socialist countries have...in the name of 'safety'. It can too easily turn the government authoritarian, IMO.

All of this is, of course, in my opinion.

[Timber]

I think you have to define freedom. I mean you don't have freedom from Law, you don't have freedom from taxes. It isn't like your free to walk the street and do what ever you want. So are any of us really free. So things change, the world changes and laws change and the definition of your freedom changes

[NewbieChris]

Freedoms and freedom from government are two different things. Freedom from government is having the ability to, at any time, change the system. That is what I am talking about. When you start putting armed guards everywhere that becomes very difficult. With the threat of harm, a government can easily convince its people that an Authoritarian government is necessary, but it never is.

[Shibby]

I would have to say Chris is changing my mind a bit. I always do like reading your post Chris. But my point about locking doors is that in fact the world does change. Ask your parents how different things were when they were kids. Things change, we have to adapt and a lot of times it sucks.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Shibby

I would have to say Chris is changing my mind a bit. I always do like reading your post Chris.

he is pretty smart. usually that is a sign of gayness at his age.

[NewbieChris]

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