Can somone explain to me how my presidential vote matters?

[Shibby]

Since the electoral college chooses the president, how does my vote matter? Other than something for the media to debate about after the president is already elected.

[The_Grinder]

That is exactly why I will not vote a day in my life until popular vote chooses the president.

[3v1lj03]

You guys. The electoral college of your state makes its choice based on the popular vote. It helps prevent out right mob rule which is what strait true democracy is BTY. The popular vote also influences how the new administration and the congress governs. If the pres wins the popular vote by a land slide then he will pretty much get what he wants from the congress (I.E. Regan) if he squeaks in he will have to push and shove and shout to get anything done.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Shibby

Since the electoral college chooses the president, how does my vote matter? Other than something for the media to debate about after the president is already elected.

somehow i think that statement is pretty incorrect.

i am not going to attempt to explain because honestly I dont pay attention too most matters that the general public pays attention too.

i am sure newbiechris, scrumhalf, or sana can explain it. i will tell sana to post in this thread. she is a lot smarter then me. lol

[NewbieChris]

3v1lj03 is correct, your vote does determine who your state is awarded to in the final election. People forget that we don't live in a democracy, we live in more of a Republic. That is the reason we have huge special interest groups that control everything, instead of actually getting what we want.

I've never read anywhere that a President 'won the popular vote by a landslide'. Regan and many other Presidents were able to accomplish things not because of the electoral college, but because of their persona.

[Timber]

Yours doesn't matter its only everyone elses that does

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by 3v1lj03

You guys. The electoral college of your state makes its choice based on the popular vote. It helps prevent out right mob rule which is what strait true democracy is BTY. The popular vote also influences how the new administration and the congress governs. If the pres wins the popular vote by a land slide then he will pretty much get what he wants from the congress (I.E. Regan) if he squeaks in he will have to push and shove and shout to get anything done.

Thanks for the text book answer, but I am looking for the practical one

[3v1lj03]

I don't understand how that answer is not practical. Help me understand.

[Gator_Mclusky]

Because we can't have a racist Muslum (Barak Hussein Obama) or another Clinton fucking up the USA!!!!!!!

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by 3v1lj03

I don't understand how that answer is not practical. Help me understand.

I am just being sarcastic because even though the electoral college is suppose to have it's purpose, I just don't believe it works like it's suppose to.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

3v1lj03 is correct, your vote does determine who your state is awarded to in the final election. People forget that we don't live in a democracy, we live in more of a Republic. That is the reason we have huge special interest groups that control everything, instead of actually getting what we want.

I've never read anywhere that a President 'won the popular vote by a landslide'. Regan and many other Presidents were able to accomplish things not because of the electoral college, but because of their persona.

This whole pretend democracy is why the younger generation is neglecting to vote. I voted last time simply because I thought I should but didn't really know what was going on. Maybe instead of just trying to rally the younger generation to vote, the campaign people should educate more on why and how your vote matters.

[redsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Shibby

I am just being sarcastic because even though the electoral college is suppose to have it's purpose, I just don't believe it works like it's suppose to.

You're absolutely right. Look at Al Gore in 2000- completely won the popular vote in this country, yet somehow that D Bag Bush got the Presidency??? The whole "hanging chad" in Florida?? (Where is brother just happened to be the governor)

I was outraged. I even looked into immigrating to Canada. I feel you. The best thing you can do is to actually go vote in the primary. The delegates and super delegates in each county & state basically vote w/ the majority of how the people in their jurisdiction voted. True, the don't ALL vote that way (and they should)....Which is really what I think you're getting at, here. Why do we even go vote in the primaries if the delegates can override our votes? Kind of the same with the electoral college. Your vote is much more important now than in the actual election, though. You actually get to decide WHO you want on the ballot.

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by Gator_Mclusky

Because we can't have a racist Muslum (Barak Hussein Obama) or another Clinton fucking up the USA!!!!!!!

What a joke. The biggest shit storm of a President to hit this country has been a Republican and the second place is also a President.

Bill Clinton was a much better president than a lot of past Presidents.

[redsquirrel]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

Bill Clinton was a much better president than a lot of past Presidents.

I couldn't agree more. Now, we can all go back and forth about his values, but quite frankly- I don't give a shit. I don't even give a shit if he lied about it. That didn't have an impact on his ability to do a good job. Think back to the time when he was president- unemployment was at an all time low, the dollar was high, and we had NO national debt. The deficit Bush has gotten us in- it will take our grandchildren to pay back. What does that mean to us- higher taxes....and much of the deficit is for a war we can't win

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by Gator_Mclusky

(Barak Hussein Obama)

so your implying that his name makes him a racist. lol. i like ya bro but that was just a dumb post.

[parabody]

no its because he is best friends with a racist fucking preacher, i dont get how a preacher can be racist, im not real catholic or into the church but from what i understand we were all created equally drop the slavery shit we had nothing to do with it it was 140 years ago and its bullshit, if people would work hard for what they want instead of making excuses this world would be alot better, get rid of all the fucking drug dealers ruining kids futures by selling a 14 year old coke or dope

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by parabody

no its because he is best friends with a racist fucking preacher, i dont get how a preacher can be racist, im not real catholic or into the church but from what i understand we were all created equally drop the slavery shit we had nothing to do with it it was 140 years ago and its bullshit, if people would work hard for what they want instead of making excuses this world would be alot better, get rid of all the fucking drug dealers ruining kids futures by selling a 14 year old coke or dope

From all the clips on the internet and media outlets I never once saw the Wright say anything about slavery. He said many controversial thing about the government and whites(implicitly). His anger may come from, at its roots, slavery. However, there are so many other factors. The United States hasn't progressed past our history of racial tensions. Its the fault of both sides. People like you who use the word racist at the drop of a hat. White people who feel that they are persecuted for being the only racist race. Obama made a great statement in Philadelphia after the Wright controversy first began. Unless we actually work these problem out nothing will change.

As for religion...it is what people make of it. Your argument about slavery is exactly the opposite argument you want it to make. Whites back in the day didn't consider the Africans people. Women were also not considered equally or did you forget you could sell your daughter.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by redsquirrel

I couldn't agree more. Now, we can all go back and forth about his values, but quite frankly- I don't give a shit. I don't even give a shit if he lied about it. That didn't have an impact on his ability to do a good job. Think back to the time when he was president- unemployment was at an all time low, the dollar was high, and we had NO national debt. The deficit Bush has gotten us in- it will take our grandchildren to pay back. What does that mean to us- higher taxes....and much of the deficit is for a war we can't win

Well, I don't know if I fully agree. I think his judgment should have been much better in handling the situation. He should never have lied, or mislead us. However, in politics you have to do that. Many economic issues were truly the free market. Unemployment was controlled by the market, not Clinton. The national debt you can thank Clinton and Bush I for. If first President Bush had not passed 'Pay-as-you-go' we never know what would have happened. However, the fact that Clinton followed it and did not ignore it is a good thing. He showed a lot of fiscal restraint as President. Clinton was just far more responsible person than our current president ever will or could be. Bush ruined every business he ever ran. Its amazing Texas is still in one piece.

[THE BOUNCER]

Originally Posted by parabody

no its because he is best friends with a racist fucking preacher

i have some friends that are some pretty bad people. dosent mean i share the same beliefs or would do the same things they would.

im not sticking up for obama or hilary just saying.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

i have some friends that are some pretty bad people. dosent mean i share the same beliefs or would do the same things they would.

im not sticking up for obama or hilary just saying.

I'm not trying to sound like I am attacking you, I am just curious. What makes them your friends then?

[NewbieChris]

To be honest Shibby your vote is only as important as you make it to yourself. Some people just vote a one sided ballot. That shows no intelligence, IMO. Just because we don't live in a pure democracy doesn't mean what you think isn't important. You just can't be apathetic because of the system. When you let the system get you down to the point where you aren't willing to do anything, that is when your vote doesn't matter.

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by THE BOUNCER

i have some friends that are some pretty bad people. dosent mean i share the same beliefs or would do the same things they would.

Im interested in what you mean by 'bad people'?