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[Shibby]

So my wife and I just watched a 43 minute video called "Creation: Science Confirms The Bible Is True". A guy at work asked me to watch and see what I think in effort to at least have me give it a chance. I did. All opinions aside, the guy speaking as an "expert" on what evolutionist believe biology tells us has a very poor understanding of biology and genetics. If it wasn't for watching it with my wife, a lot of the inaccuracies would have gone unnoticed to myself. I know I have gone back and forth a lot with people here and I'm not looking to debate facts and theories. All I would like to do is extend the challenge to the people of this board to either watch the video I did if you are non-religious or if you are religious to watch a single lecture/debate of similar length of Richard Dawkins or to see Bill Maher's new movie Religulous.

[Turbo3000]

I heard Religulous wasn't that good. I heard he stays on the same high points during his documentary and doesn't really go into deep questions regarding religion. The review led me to believe it is basically a full length film of his same jokes about religion that he uses on Real Time.

I will wait until DVD.

[Shibby]

Well I would recommend the Dawkins route for the most comprehensive look at atheism. But I know some people either don't want to listen to something that serious or won't be able to follow the scientific side of his discussion. I don't know if Religulous is a good movie to show atheism and the doubts of religion, but it's something new and could be entertaining. He didn't intend his movie to convert people, but to bring atheist's out of the atheist closet.

[3v1lj03]

Originally Posted by Shibby

Well I would recommend the Dawkins route for the most comprehensive look at atheism. But I know some people either don't want to listen to something that serious or won't be able to follow the scientific side of his discussion. I don't know if Religulous is a good movie to show atheism and the doubts of religion, but it's something new and could be entertaining. He didn't intend his movie to convert people, but to bring atheist's out of the atheist closet.

I love to listen to the atheists. So, how do I get this Dawkins thing without giving him any of my christen money?

[gdbear65]

Originally Posted by Turbo3000

I heard Religulous...
I will wait until DVD.

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to be honest I have no interest in hearing what creationists have to say - I think they're completely out to lunch. Who really cares how we originated? To me it is incomprehensible to everyone - no one knows with any certainty how we came to exist, so why not just leave it at that?

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by 3v1lj03

I love to listen to the atheists. So, how do I get this Dawkins thing without giving him any of my christen money?

This is a lecture with excerpts from "The God Delusion" - YouTube - Dawkins in Lynchburg VA (part 1) The God Delusion



YouTube - Dawkins in Lynchburg VA (part 2) The God Delusion

This would probably more interesting to you and rare in a christian lecture. Dawkins publicly takes questions after reading the excerpts from anyone. The questions start off very calm and then people start getting more bold with their questions.

[3v1lj03]

Thanks I will check it ou

[Turbo3000]

Originally Posted by gdbear65

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to be honest I have no interest in hearing what creationists have to say - I think they're completely out to lunch. Who really cares how we originated? To me it is incomprehensible to everyone - no one knows with any certainty how we came to exist, so why not just leave it at that?

I like your thoughts.

[FitnessBrat]

Originally Posted by Turbo3000

I like your thoughts.

Me too. However, people insist on "answers" - so that's never going to be good enough (regardless of the fact there isn't ever going to be one).

[mindstar]

Originally Posted by FitnessBrat

Me too. However, people insist on "answers" - so that's never going to be good enough (regardless of the fact there isn't ever going to be one).

That drive is what has given humanity all of it's progress (and much of it's regression as well). It is a fundamental part of our nature.

[FitnessBrat]

Originally Posted by mindstar

That drive is what has given humanity all of it's progress (and much of it's regression as well). It is a fundamental part of our nature.

You're absolutely right

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by gdbear65

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to be honest I have no interest in hearing what creationists have to say - I think they're completely out to lunch. Who really cares how we originated? To me it is incomprehensible to everyone - no one knows with any certainty how we came to exist, so why not just leave it at that?

What I got the most out of it is that I see more why theologists believe things about science the way they do. They trust the wrong person on the subject and I guess I feel sorry for them. It can be tough to ask the real questions without feeling a sense of self betrayal. Especially when "your" community, that you cherish for what ever reason, looks down on you for it.

[NewbieChris]

When I was a freshman in college there was a speaker who came to USC and gave a presentation about Evolution and creationism working hand in hand. I will tell you what, it was very interesting and thought provoking. It makes you ask a lot of questions of science, because we are so very stupid as a race. It is really something that should be taught, if not for diversities sake, for the soul purpose that it requires a person to think to answer a question, instead of just memorization.

That being said, Creationism isn't science and I don't believe it should be taught in science classrooms.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

When I was a freshman in college there was a speaker who came to USC and gave a presentation about Evolution and creationism working hand in hand. I will tell you what, it was very interesting and thought provoking. It makes you ask a lot of questions of science, because we are so very stupid as a race. It is really something that should be taught, if not for diversities sake, for the soul purpose that it requires a person to think to answer a question, instead of just memorization.

That being said, Creationism isn't science and I don't believe it should be taught in science classrooms.

The problem with trying to teach creationism along with science is; Which creation story do you teach and to what extent? The "science" that science teaches are experimental theories. You can't really test the theories of creationism in a scientific manner.

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by Shibby

The problem with trying to teach creationism along with science is; Which creation story do you teach and to what extent? The "science" that science teaches are experimental theories. You can't really test the theories of creationism in a scientific manner.

Yea, but you missed my last statement. All public and private schools should have a world theology class. In my opinion, for all intents and purposes, it is just as legitimate and important as a government class, world history class, etc. Nothing has made a larger impact on the world than theology and religion.

[Shibby]

A world theology class would be a good elective. My wife took a class called "Judaism, Christianity and Islam" in college. Seemed interesting even if it is theology. I think most religious parents of children would be afraid to expose them to other religions though.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

When I was a freshman in college there was a speaker who came to USC and gave a presentation about Evolution and creationism working hand in hand.

What was his degree in?

[NewbieChris]

Originally Posted by Shibby

What was his degree in?

I honestly don't remember that was 5 years ago.

[Shibby]

Do you remember if it was in a biology field or something else?

[3v1lj03]

Originally Posted by Shibby

This is a lecture with excerpts from "The God Delusion" - YouTube - Dawkins in Lynchburg VA (part 1) The God Delusion



YouTube - Dawkins in Lynchburg VA (part 2) The God Delusion

This would probably more interesting to you and rare in a christian lecture. Dawkins publicly takes questions after reading the excerpts from anyone. The questions start off very calm and then people start getting more bold with their questions.

So, I listened to the whole thing and he is even mildly entertaining I found Dawkins seemed much more intelligent to listen to then to read. Also I tend to agree with allot of his points about the problems with christens and the bible. Most professing "christens" don't know what the bible says or what it means because they have never read it. This problem frustrates me to no end. I also agree with his points about theologians saying the old testament is just allegory and if that is true what is the moral lesson. I disagree with these modern liberal theologians and believe the bible is littoral in meaning and text. Most modern "christens" are a pathetic examples of what they should be and it is no wonder that the ranks of eastern mysticism and atheism are swelling. Paul even referred to this problem is the first century when he said "God's name is blasphemed all day long" because of the corrupt christen witness. It is the christen church's fault the it is in decline in the western world and no one else can be blamed. As to the logical arguments of Dawkins it is the same stuff that has been said forever and I did not hear anything new here. But, Like I indicated before I like to engage the culture and atheists and other religions I strongly believe that a faith that cannot be questioned cannot be trusted. My faith is historical and evidential.

Originally Posted by NewbieChris

When I was a freshman in college there was a speaker who came to USC and gave a presentation about Evolution and creationism working hand in hand. I will tell you what, it was very interesting and thought provoking. It makes you ask a lot of questions of science, because we are so very stupid as a race. It is really something that should be taught, if not for diversities sake, for the soul purpose that it requires a person to think to answer a question, instead of just memorization.

That being said, Creationism isn't science and I don't believe it should be taught in science classrooms.

I think just exposure to the fact that evolution may not be the only viable theory would be sufficient . I am not even sure that any origins class need be taught just the stuff that is factual and historical would probably be sufficient for the public education system. Like I read above it does not make that much difference to your life.

Originally Posted by Shibby

A world theology class would be a good elective. My wife took a class called "Judaism, Christianity and Islam" in college. Seemed interesting even if it is theology. I think most religious parents of children would be afraid to expose them to other religions though.

I agree that most people are afraid to expose their children or themselves for that matter to other religions. My bother in law is atheist and has this very problem. I think it is important to understand what and why other religions including atheists believe what they believe! If your kids don't own their faith they will not keep it.

[THE BOUNCER]

what the hell are you guys saying in this thread. someone break it down into very simple speak please.

[3v1lj03]