Is is possible to get shredded as a natty?

[quadzilla]

And stay big at the same time. I have 19" pipes but no longer have the big thick vein running down the middle. I have started cardio back up running three times per week at 6.5 for 15 to 20 min. That should help I think.

I hate that to lean out i have to lose my ass. Girls like the ass. You know what I mean out there. How can you do both? The hardest core thing that I take is creatine. I have never taken anything else.

If I want to put on weight I have to add to the waist line. There doesn't seem to be another way. Has anyone out there had any success?

I'm trying to get that separation between the muscles but have no luck. I'm so tired of seeing all the girls gawk at the guys in the gym on the juice or andro etc while us natty guys attempt to grind out gains with no hope of ever acheiving the muscle hypertrophy you can with drugs.

Anyone else feeling my pain out there?

WHAT DO I DO!!!!!!??????

rant over!

[JACKAL]

Originally posted by quadzilla

WHAT DO I DO!!!!!!??????

like me, cry yourself to sleep at night, grasping your pillow.

sorry man, you just gotta thick it out through a mass cycle (eat til youre HUGE) for a few months then cut. Its next to impossible to GAIN mass and LOSE fat simultaneously (unless youve never lifted before.)

[zeratulz]

dont worry about it, i see bodybuilding as a challenge and i actually like being natural because when my goals are reached ill feel that much more proud of myself from al the hard work iv done

[Aurora]

maybe you should drop the donut?

[canadagold]

Originally posted by quadzilla
And stay big at the same time. I have 19" pipes but no longer have the big thick vein running down the middle. I have started cardio back up running three times per week at 6.5 for 15 to 20 min. That should help I think.

I hate that to lean out i have to lose my ass. Girls like the ass. You know what I mean out there. How can you do both? The hardest core thing that I take is creatine. I have never taken anything else.

If I want to put on weight I have to add to the waist line. There doesn't seem to be another way. Has anyone out there had any success?

I'm trying to get that separation between the muscles but have no luck. I'm so tired of seeing all the girls gawk at the guys in the gym on the juice or andro etc while us natty guys attempt to grind out gains with no hope of ever acheiving the muscle hypertrophy you can with drugs.

Anyone else feeling my pain out there?

WHAT DO I DO!!!!!!??????

rant over!

It is very possible bro. . .you don't need gear to get ripped. . talk to my friend keeny who just joined up. .he is natty for life and he is ripped. . .
it just take a lot of dedication and hard training. . .

[Notorious]

yea man i know im bulking to. i didnt gain that much fat and my little 4 pack kinda stayed. i think if u keep it clean you wont gain that much fat. i went from 160-180 body didnt really change but i gained some size

[Dynomyte001]

at the green ranger.... for me getting cut w/o juice is very impossible then i again i have hypo-thyroidism.