What fruits are best to eat in any diet?

[columbo]

I eat about 4-5 fruits a day, 2 apples,1pear and 1 bannana. I am trying to eat as clean as possible for the last 2.5 weeks and I'm noticing a big difference. What fruits are best to eat during a cutting or bulking phase? Thanks

[JACKAL]

well, when bulking im fairly certain fruits are good to eat. i love bananas

when cutting i personally would avoid them to some degree. Although they are natural sugars, they are still high in carbs.

[ronmolina]

Your eating three of my favorites. Avocadoes are great to.

[golilla]

I would generally stay away from high carb high glycemic fruits, apples, pears, oranges,and banannas, sorry. Stick to berries, and melons (cantelope, honeydew) they are relatively low in carbs.

[ronmolina]

None of them are high glycemic. Just the opposite.

[golilla]

Originally posted by ronmolina
None of them are high glycemic. Just the opposite.

I am speaking in relation to other fruit on a glycemic index

[Gongshow]

so fruits are not good for cutting?? hmm interesting

[Rome]

man jackal after reviewing about 5 of your posts that title of superior newbie shure does fit yah bro. you're the class let me rehash everything i've read newbie.

fruits are good for you, but you have to know when to eat them, how much, etc.... as with everything.

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by golilla
I would generally stay away from high carb high glycemic fruits, apples, pears, oranges,and banannas, sorry. Stick to berries, and melons (cantelope, honeydew) they are relatively low in carbs.

Fruit is not good for cutting. Bananas are one of the highest glycemic index fruits. Apples and strawberries are the lower. Pears and oranges are high. Fruit is ok for bulking, in moderation.
However, fruit while cutting is a no- no. When cutting, you're CUTTING out sugar, sat. fats, etc. Whether it's simple or complex sugar, your body still processes it the same way. I don't know of anyone of my friends who eat bananas while dieting for a show.

[Rome]

its ok for cutting to

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by Rome
its ok for cutting to

Why do you say it is good for cutting? How can sugar be ok for a cutting diet?

[redsquirrel]

The most fruit I EVER eat on a cutting diet is 3 strawberries twice a day

[Faye]

Again, I'm with RS on this one. Very little to no fruit while cutting and then only stawberries and blueberries, and then only in the pre-workout meal.

Logic: Fruit contains fructose which is not immediately availible to your muscles as energy. Fructose must first be made into glycogen by your liver, if you liver glycogen stores are full that fructose will immediately be converted into FAT.

[ronmolina]

There is so much misinformation on the GI index on these body building boards it is not even funny. Most fruit have a low GI and GL. You need to look at both indexes. They dont turn to fat. Love to see the science behind that one.Low GI foods have and index of 55 or less.Low GL foods(a more important index) have an index of 10 or less. Here are some examples:

Apple- GI-38, GL-6
banana -GI(USA)-42, GL-11
pear -GI-38, GL-4
orange -GI-42, GL-5
Peach -GI-38, GL-4

Someone mentioned stick with melons, well guess what they have a higher GI then you are eating. Cantelope has a GI of 65 which is in the mid range not the low range. I have one of the largest GI and GL data basis there is on my computer in an excell format. You folks should pick up a book called The new Glucose revelotion. Which list the above. I have studied this stuff because my daughter is a type one diabetic. Some one also suggested to stick with low carbs well guess what fruit are very low in carbs. If you like I will list them for the above. When I cut I eat fruit and at 55 can still get down to 5% bf.

[redsquirrel]

Have you ever really been down to 5%??? That's about 1/2 % away from contest BF for males.....and again- HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE EATING THAT MUCH FRUIT ON A CUTTING DIET. My close personal friend who won the 2003 Jr. Nat's in women's BBing ate next to NO FRUIT. My other friend who won the 2003 Jr. USA's men's BBing ate NO FRUIT..maybe 6 strawberries/ day. So, I'm still not getting how to incorporate fruit into a cutting or show diet.

[bigpetefox]

I eat fruit the day of the show to carb up, none while cutting..

[ronmolina]

Yes I have been. I should be down to 5% in about two months and I will post some pics. When I was in my 20's and 30's i never went beyond about 7%. At 12% right now. I will see if I can dig up some old pics and scan them.

[Puddles]

Originally posted by Faye
Again, I'm with RS on this one. Very little to no fruit while cutting and then only stawberries and blueberries, and then only in the pre-workout meal.

Logic: Fruit contains fructose which is not immediately availible to your muscles as energy. Fructose must first be made into glycogen by your liver, if you liver glycogen stores are full that fructose will immediately be converted into FAT.

Great post! I'm e-mailing a copy of this post to my mother who although she eats clean, she just doesn't understand that fruit is not benefitting her since she is trying to loose fat. Props to my mom though, she just came in first place in a senior's race.

[Shibby]

smallbutgrowing, is that you?

[Rome]

sorry rs but maybe some people are just better than you and your friends because i shure as hell eat atleast 1 bannana a day and easily cut down to 6% bf. i'm not a BB so I could careless about being in a contest but I didnt see the banana interferring with my fat loss. and for the record I was not on any AS or supplemenets other than protein

[Rome]

the point is you dont need to cut out all fruit from your diet to get ripped.

[Faye]

Just for the record, my post has nothing to do with the GI or GL of foods, just the metabolism of fructose. Personally, I think it's more of an issue for women b.c. they have a diffucult time getting into the single digits for bf%. I know plenty of men who eat some (some, not a lot) of fruit during a contest diet.

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by Rome
the point is you dont need to cut out all fruit from your diet to get ripped.

That's IS the point. However, IMO, I think 55 is too much, even for a male. When several of my friends did shows last year, the most fruit they ate in a day was 6-8 strawberries, not at the same sitting.

[ronmolina]

Faye the GI will determine to some extent whether there is a chance to metabolise to fat. High GI foods cause insulin to spike causing a potential fat gain. Low GI foods like most fruit will generally be used for energy because they dont cause an insulin spike. Frucose has nothing to do with it.

[ronmolina]

"[NOTE] There has been a lot of hysteria about fruit for about the last 5 years or so. It is true that different carbohydrates are metabolized differently in the body, depending on their ring structure. The panic about fructose, which was then misapplied to fruit, arose out of research using mice and high fructose corn syrup. The concern about fruit, although based on some truths about the metabolism of fructose, is unfounded. High Fructose corn syrup is an extremely dense source of fructose. When consumed in the diet, it overloads the liver with glycogen, which then leads to insulin resistance and lipogenesis in that organ. Fruit, on the other hand, is neither calorie nor fructose dense. Fresh raw fruit is mostly water and fiber. One piece of fresh fruit has about 17 grams of carbs per serving with relatively insignificant amounts of fructose compared to high fructose corn syrup. So, don't worry about eating fresh raw fruit. But steer clear of anything with high fructose corn syrup in it. "

Eat your fruit forget the myth.

[ronmolina]

Here is a good starting point to understand the GI and GL. Follow eating low GI/Gl foods and the fat will melt away. Follow some of the links there for other resources. Some links from time to time do not work. www.anycities.com/user1/mendosa/gilists.htm

[redsquirrel]

Excellent posts, RM....Even though, I personally still won't eat fruit, ..LOL , it's still some great info you posted up there.

But, here's a question- if fruit affects your body the way these links say it does, then why do so many fad diets, ie.:South Beach Diet, Atkins, the Zone, all keep fruit to a bare minimum??

Just a question, not a flame...

[ronmolina]

Just think about it. There fad diets that ultimately are unhe