Milk - Does it do a body good?

[gdbear65]

According to research, when autopsies were performed on 18 and 19 year olds, killed during the Korean conflict, they found evidence of arterial scarring and plaque build-up, which has since been linked to homogenized cow's milk. When milk is homogenized the fat particles are broken down into smaller particles which enables the fat to stay suspended in the milk. However, the smaller particles are then able to enter the bloodstream directly, rather than having to pass through the lower instestine. All milk that contains milk fat is homogenized. If you value your health, stay away from homogenized cow's milk.

Aside from what I've just mentioned, cow's milk can cause type 1 diabetes and retards brain development when given to children, who are less than 3 months of age. It also causes constipation and may be a factor in the development of MS. Furthermore, it is a poor source of calcium. Cow's milk is designed to grow a calf to a couple hundred pounds in a few months. It is not meant for humans! Our nutritional needs are completely different. If you must drink milk though, it seems goat's milk is a much healthier alternative. Its' composition is much closer to that of human breast milk and the fat particles are naturally smaller, making it easier to digest.

For more information visit the Consumer Wellness Research Center. It is not-for-profit and they don't promote (other than wellness) or sell anything on their site! (http://www.low-carbdietwarning.com/l...b-diet-91.html)

[decadecadeca]

Sorry but I call bullshit on that. We are made to drink milk we have the enzymes and bacteria in our stomach expressly for it. That sounds like the crap PETA throws out just like we have canine teeth and incisors but aren't made to eat meat. Bullshit, I got milk and I drink it.

I also come from a long line of ranchers so this is kinda touchy with me. LOL

[decadecadeca]

Oh and here's an article on their website. Kinda fuckin overboard don't ya think?

http://www.consumerwellness.org/diseasedanny.html

[gdbear65]

Yeah, it's over the top - but people need to wake up to the reality that they have no idea what kind of effects all the crap they put into commercial products has on your body. The processing of foods often robs it of it's natural goodness and fundamentally changes its' structure and nutrient balance. There are chemical additives on top of chemical additives and many are quite harmful. At the very least it can help people make an informed choice.

[Juka865]

i like milk, I drink no fat or skim... so thats homogenized right??? But anyways ppl have been drinking milk since for ever. Now if you posted shit on smoking cigs or doing lsd and value ur health. Id understand that more

[gdbear65]

If it's skim, you don't have to worry - it's milk containing fat that is the problem - 1%, 2% and whole milk or Homo, but not skim (which has the fat skimmed off - hence the name)

[gdbear65]

More info:

The use of dangerous hormones in cow's milk:

"A new additive of questionable safety in milk is bovine growth hormone (BGH, also known as BST, rbGH, and rbST). It is one of the first products of bioengineering that the FDA has approved to enter our food supply. BGH is a hormone naturally produced by cows. Four companies have learned how to isolate the strand of cow DNA that codes this hormone, insert it into the DNA of bacteria, grow the bacteria in vats, and then extract large quantities of BGH from those vats. Dairy cows that are injected with BGH can produce milk for nearly twice as long after calving."

- Debra Lynn Dadd, Home Safe Home


"Although many synthetic estrogens like DES are now outlawed, many livestock and poultry are still hormonally manipulated, especially dairy cows. Cow's milk contains substantial amounts of estrogen due to modern farming techniques. The rise in dairy consumption since the 1940s inversely parallels the drop in sperm counts. Avoidance of hormone-fed animal products and milk products are important for male sexual vitality, especially in men with low sperm counts or low testosterone levels."

- Michael T. Murray, N.D., The Textbook of Natural Medicine


"Also, in February 1994 the FDA approved the use of rBGH (recombinant bovine growth hormone) to increase milk production. The FDA refuses to implement a test for rBGH levels in all dairy products, insisting there is no need because it is safe. Not everyone is so sure, however.

Dr. George Tritsch, a cancer researcher recently retired from the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York, says that drinking milk from rBGH-supplemented cows increases insulin growth factor (IGF-1), which may enhance tumor cell growth. Tritsch believes that minute levels of IGF-1 could enter the bloodstream of those who drink hormone-laced milk and create tumor cells in the breast, ovary, or prostate as people age, which would grow slowly and manifest as clinical cancer in old age. He also feels that such hormones could stimulate the progression of childhood leukemias.

Tritsch concludes that "the widespread consumption of BGH-supplemented milk is, therefore, an experiment on an unsuspecting population that could have horrendous consequences," adding that "it would be difficult to dismantle a well-entrenched BGH industry."

Use of rBGH is also known to increase the amount of pus, bacteria, and antibiotic contamination in milk, since cows given rBGH are more susceptible to disease."

- Robyn Landis, Herbal Defense

[decadecadeca]

Quote:

"Use of rBGH is also known to increase the amount of pus, bacteria, and antibiotic contamination in milk, since cows given rBGH are more susceptible to disease."

Here we go again, some retired crackpot was hired by the hippies to shoot some more shit. I come from about 4 generations of ranchers, beef and dairy. All milk sold in the fluid market is tested repeatedly for both total bacteria count and somatic cell count. Any milk not meeting the state standard is downgraded and bought at a lower price per hundred weight. That milk is sold for processing at solids plants such as cheese or dried powdered milk for animal use.


Quote:

"Avoidance of hormone-fed animal products and milk products are important for male sexual vitality, especially in men with low sperm counts or low testosterone levels."

That's from the same assholes that push SOY for men! Give me a break.

[DangerousGround]

I love 2%

[gdbear65]

Originally posted by decadecadeca
Quote:

"Use of rBGH is also known to increase the amount of pus, bacteria, and antibiotic contamination in milk, since cows given rBGH are more susceptible to disease."

Here we go again, some retired crackpot was hired by the hippies to shoot some more shit. I come from about 4 generations of ranchers, beef and dairy. All milk sold in the fluid market is tested repeatedly for both total bacteria count and somatic cell count. Any milk not meeting the state standard is downgraded and bought at a lower price per hundred weight. That milk is sold for processing at solids plants such as cheese or dried powdered milk for animal use.


Quote:

"Avoidance of hormone-fed animal products and milk products are important for male sexual vitality, especially in men with low sperm counts or low testosterone levels."

That's from the same assholes that push SOY for men! Give me a break.

So what's your take on BGH or rBGH? If it's in the cow, wouldn't it be in its' milk? And wouldn't it have an effect on humans, considering cows are mammals too?

[decadecadeca]

Just because something can cause a cow to continue production doesn't mean every farmer is going to use it. A farm has two main investments, the cattle and the land. They're both about equal in value at todays market prices. Depending on where you buy and when, a single dairy cow can go anywhere from $3k to $5k. No one is gonna run those cows into the ground just so they can get a little more milk. You get higher volume by feed quality, reducing stress in the herd and drying cows off after freshening or calving. There have been growth hormone issues in the past and they've always played out. Between state inspectors, federal regulations, co-op quality tests, and processor labs I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[gdbear65]

sorry, deca, but I disagree with you - here's more info from another source:

"Food is not just food, and milk is not just milk. It is not only the proper amount of food but also the proper qualitative composition that is critical for the very best in health and growth. Biochemists and physiologists—and rarely medical doctors—are gradually learning that foods contain the crucial elements that allow a particular species to develop its unique specializations.

Human specialization is for advanced neurological development and delicate neuromuscular control. We do not have much need of massive skeletal growth or huge muscles, as does a calf. Human newborns specifically need critical material for their brains, spinal cord and nerves. Can consuming mother's milk increase intelligence? It seems it does. In a remarkable study published in Lancet in 1992, a group of British workers randomly placed premature infants into two groups. One group received a milk formula; the other human breast milk, both given by stomach tubes. These children were followed for over 10 years. In intelligence testing, the human milk children averaged 10 IQ points higher.

It's worthwhile to note here that milk products are linked to all sorts of health problems, including obesity, heart disease and cancer. Eminent heart specialist DR Upendra Kaul, of SAARC Cardiac Society, is serious when he advises drinking skimmed milk for your heart's well being.

DR N.K. Sharma goes to the extent of saying that milk is the sole progenitor of a variety of diseases ranging from cancer and heart disease to gall bladder stones, artherosclerosis, even cataract and dental problems. Says he: "Milk is largely responsible for the human cells going crazy. This is because of the constant inflow in the body of growth hormones meant for promoting the growth of a calf, not a human being. Today, this problem is more acute because cows have become something of freaks. In an effort to get them to produce more and more milk for a longer period of time, they have been bred and developed to have overactive pituitary glands. This is evidenced in the milk they produce and the high amount of protein in it."

The scare becomes all the more real when experts tell you that dairy products are likely to be contaminated with trace levels of antibiotics, hormones, and other chemicals, including dioxin, one of the most toxic substances known to humans.

The late DR Benjamin Spock, in Baby and Child Care (a Bible for many on the subject), after recommending that no one consume cow's milk and cataloguing a host of ills associated with milk consumption, concludes: "In nature, animals do not drink milk after infancy, and that is the normal pattern for humans, too. Children stay in better calcium balance when their protein comes from plant sources."

DR Sharma offers 'nut milk' as an alternative to animal milk in his book. Nut milk is made from raw, unroasted nuts, and can also be turned into curds, shakes and butters. Nut milk can be made not only from cashews, pistachios and almonds, but also with sunflower, pumpkin, melon and cucumber seeds. DR Sharma is not in favor of soymilk, though, which has been a popular milk-substitute in the West."

excerpt from: http://www.lifepositive.com/Body/hol...cipes/milk.asp

[decadecadeca]

Well, I'm not gonna beat my head against a wall here arguing a point. Believe and drink what you will. Maybe you're buddhist or buy into the whole "new age" lifestyle. That's your business and none of my concern. But when you post information from links like that it's pretty obvious how slanted and one sided they are. The other links on that page are all holistic bullshit, tarot reading, bagahvad gita the spritual advisor? Whatever the fuck that is!


Don't drink milk if you want bro, but don't sling shit and half truths trying to influence others.

I'm done on this one, good luck.

[decadecadeca]

Oh, and I've got some "nut milk" for Dr. Sharma.....

[gdbear65]

If you don't wish to see the logic in any of this that's fine, but just because you say it is so, doesn't mean it is so. You have a vested interest in this, I don't. Whether or not people drink cow's milk has no effect on my pocketbook. And, as I said earlier, I've presented this info so people can make an informed choice. I've barely scratched the surface on all the research to support my arguments. If you wish to believe that they're half truths: fine - present me with the research to support your arguments.

[gdbear65]

Originally posted by DangerousGround
I love 2%

But does it love you?

[majoradams]

Originally posted by Juka865
i like milk, I drink no fat or skim... so thats homogenized right??? But anyways ppl have been drinking milk since for ever. Now if you posted shit on smoking cigs or doing lsd and value ur health. Id understand that more

Didnt you even read the first post

[Gary]

I have had mixed feelings about milk because of the conflicting theories. I like it but am concerned about the antibiotics and other 'enhancements' that our screwed up economic system causes the dairy farmers to do for their financial survival. All the European countries have banned antibiotics and hormones, so it is more serious than some hippies running around like chicken littles.

So, I drink non-fat, organic milk and cheese. Quite a bit, in fact.

[gdbear65]

It's better to be safe than sorry.

Deca mentioned that milk that does not meet the state standard for bacteria and somatic cell count does not make it to market. (The somatic cell count (SCC) is commonly used as a measure of milk quality. Somatic cells are simply animal body cells present at low levels in normal milk. High levels of these cells in milk indicate abnormal, reduced-quality milk that is caused by an intramammary bacterial infection (mastitis). source: http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/dairy/g1151.htm) The state and federal standard for SCC is 750,000 as measured in one milliliter of milk. To me this seems kind of high. And you really have to question whether or not this standard is set to protect the consumer or to protect the dairy industry. On the whole our goverments tend to favour business interests over consumer interests.

I believe deca when he says dairy farmers aren't going to mess around with cows that are valued between $3k and $5k, however I would tend to think that it is more applicable to the independent farmer. The corporate dairies won't care about wasting a few cows so long as the bottom line is significantly improved, which by the sounds of it, BGH will do.

Deca also mentioned that we have the enzymes and bacteria in our stomachs that are expressly for digesting milk. I believe the enzyme he is referring to is called lactase. Our bodies stop producing this enzyme by five years of age.

I've been aware of these issues surrounding cow's milk for a couple of years now, but like most people, did not believe it. I've now stopped drinking it altogether. I don't live in the US, but I don't thnk the milk in Canada is much safer, though BGH is not approved for use here. For what it's worth, my advice to everyone is to try abstaining from milk for a month to six weeks and see how you feel afterwards. How much can it hurt?

[ExNihilo]

It will be quite obvious to you if you do not have the enzymes to digest milk, about 2-3 hours after ingestion...

If you do not suffer from painful bloating, gas, diahrea and sometimes abdominal cramping, you have the enzymes to digest milk. If you do, you suffer from a well known medical condition called lactose intolerance.

[mcalo4]

all mammals drink milk. Were supposed to. I like it and I drink it, and plenty of it. Dont listen to Arnold "milk is for babies."

Drink up junior.

[realconan]

Originally posted by gdbear65
If you don't wish to see the logic in any of this that's fine, but just because you say it is so, doesn't mean it is so. You have a vested interest in this, I don't. Whether or not people drink cow's milk has no effect on my pocketbook. And, as I said earlier, I've presented this info so people can make an informed choice. I've barely scratched the surface on all the research to support my arguments. If you wish to believe that they're half truths: fine - present me with the research to support your arguments.

Ummm....I would think the fact that his father and his father's father being in the beef and dairy business would be enough "research" for you, but that's just my opinion. Just because he doesn't agree with the "logic" (and I use that term loosely here) that you present, doesn't mean he doesn't see it. Making informed choices means assimilating information from CREDIBLE sources and using DISCERNMENT to make an intelligent choice. Seems your "research" lacks credibility and your conclusion lacks discernment. You can find mountains of "research" to support any viewpoint you can possibly imagine, so the volume of your "research" in and of itself means nothing. Not drinking cow's milk isn't going to make anyone live any longer than anyone else.

[chariots]

If you are worried about what milk to drink, if you look hard enought you can find unhomogenized milk in the supermarket. You just have to look for it. Tastes nice it still has the creamy layer on top (Bonus)

[fog_hat1981]

Originally Posted by realconan

Seems your "research" lacks credibility and your conclusion lacks discernment. You can find mountains of "research" to support any viewpoint you can possibly imagine, so the volume of your "research" in and of itself means nothing. Not drinking cow's milk isn't going to make anyone live any longer than anyone else.

Anyone have any further input - sounds like this guy just doesn't want anyone to enjoy a cold glass of milk.

[THE BOUNCER]

I never drink milk. Makes me bloated and just gives me a general shitty feeling. Not a fan of milk.