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Old 12-14-07, 11:20 AM
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Diet Check

Little Background...

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about 20%

on 500mg Test E in week 3 (40mg dbol ED for another week), it's my first real cycle

I'm not eating enough I don't think, but I'd like to get a little leaner as I bulk, which I know is damn near impossible. My goal for the cycle is to be a big as possible and end at about 16% or so...lower would be great, but I'm not expecting miracles. I've always had trouble staying lean, but it's been easier to get big.

The diet.

7am
2 scoops ON whey with water and 2/3 cup oats.

10am
chicken/pork (i measure in gm, but it works out to 50g protein)
1/2 cup br rice

1pm
chicken/pork
veggies

4pm
2 scoops ON
30g complex carb powder

Workout.

PWO shake
2 scoops ON
30g complex carb powder

7pm
chicken/steak
veggies w/ 2 tbs olive oil.
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Ya, not eating enough calories. Change it to 1 cup of oats in the morning. 1 cup brown rice in meal 2. Add a carb source in meal 3. add 1 more meal after the 7pm meal. cottage cheese or some other slow digesting food.

all your doing with that diet is slowing down your metabolism and robbing your self of some nice gains on the cycle.
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cool...thanks.

Does it matter if the oats are cooked or not?
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cool...thanks.

Does it matter if the oats are cooked or not?
na, not really. you putting them into a blender?
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yeah, it's not very tasty but it gets the job done. To be honest, it's the only meal of the day that I hate. That big pile of mush at the bottom of the cup is nasty.
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yeah, it's not very tasty but it gets the job done. To be honest, it's the only meal of the day that I hate. That big pile of mush at the bottom of the cup is nasty.
haha, i have it every morning too. i just don't have an appetite in the morning. just chug it down though.
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would adding a banana be too much simple sugars? I find that it keeps the oats suspended in the water better....
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would adding a banana be too much simple sugars? I find that it keeps the oats suspended in the water better....
i dont find that to be the case at all. oats still sit just the same for me. i use the whole oats. banana in the morning would be fine.
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So i just got my pre cycle blood work back and I have a question...

My fasting glucose levels are 6.8 (where the top end of normal is >6). I've got diabetes in my family history all over the place and this number puts me at risk. I'm not horribly fat, 20% or so, but I do carry most of my fat around my middle.

Is there any way for me to reverse my insulin resitance? I already eat a low glycemic diet.

Also, I got my free test levels, which were 34 (where normal is 24-90). Am I right in thinking that this is a little low for a 30 y.o.?
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So i just got my pre cycle blood work back and I have a question...

My fasting glucose levels are 6.8 (where the top end of normal is >6). I've got diabetes in my family history all over the place and this number puts me at risk. I'm not horribly fat, 20% or so, but I do carry most of my fat around my middle.

Is there any way for me to reverse my insulin resitance? I already eat a low glycemic diet.

Also, I got my free test levels, which were 34 (where normal is 24-90). Am I right in thinking that this is a little low for a 30 y.o.?
do you take a multi? Chromium is supposed to help with insulin levels. have also read that fish oil can help.

as far as the test levels, i am not sure what is up with docs these days or what numbers they are using but 24-90 is not from any scale i have ever seen. normal numbers are 250ng/dl - 750ng/dl
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the measurement of test is in pmol/l and for the life of me I can't figure out how to convert it to ng/dl

I take a multi and fish oil already.

Cheers for all the help bro.
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Reference Intervals for Free Testosterone by age
20-29 years 32-92 pmol/l
30-39 years 30-87 pmol/l
40-49 years 25-83 pmol/l
50-59 years 23-75 pmol/l
60+ years 23- 63pmol/l
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Any chemists here?

Or insulin resistant people?
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I am a type 1 diabetic and know a little about insulin and glucose and how they work. What is your question?
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So i just got my pre cycle blood work back and I have a question...

My fasting glucose levels are 6.8 (where the top end of normal is >6). I've got diabetes in my family history all over the place and this number puts me at risk. I'm not horribly fat, 20% or so, but I do carry most of my fat around my middle.

Is there any way for me to reverse my insulin resitance? I already eat a low glycemic diet.

Also, I got my free test levels, which were 34 (where normal is 24-90). Am I right in thinking that this is a little low for a 30 y.o.?
i quoted his question below yours.
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Insulin resistance can be treated by what you are doing - exercise and a good diet that is low in simple sugars.
Chromium is thought to help like somebody said, and also cinnamon.
You might look into a supplement at the grocery store that is for diabetics.
But the main thing is exercise and a diet high in lean meats, veggies, and some complex carbs. Keep it up!
As for grams to moles conversion - try reading this
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Is it me or is than math brutal?

If I'm converting a pmol/l measurement I'm looking for how many grams/l
and thne converting to ng/dl?

I'm getting silly numbers when I try. is pmol the same as a mole?
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no a picomole is much smaller than a mole.
you move your decimal place over one for each of the following:
deci, centi, milli, micro, nano, pico
so that so one mole is equal to 1 million picomoles.
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with 34pmol/l

34x10(-6)[288.47] = gm/l


So that gets me .00980798g/l using the equation listed?

which is 980ng/l

and then 98ng/dl? That doesn't sound right to me given that my measurement was listed in the 'normal' range
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normal total testosterone levels are around 300-1000 ng/dL (same as above)
normal free testosterone levels are 50-210 pg/mL (much less circulating)

the conversion you are looking for is 288.5 grams of testosterone/mole

something is not working out right because
34pmol/L converts to 10pg/mL which is definitely too low, not even normal.
but your range of normal of 30-87pmol/L for a 30 year old would convert to 9-25pg/mL which is not right.
the normal free testosterone level in pmol/L should be about 170-280pmol/L.

so something is not right.
either your units...or my brain.

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yep, you and i are getting the same numbers - 98ng/dl (or 100ng/dL is what I got, only I put it in pg/mL which is 10).....
i can't explain it
but something is wrong
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yeah, it's not very tasty but it gets the job done. To be honest, it's the only meal of the day that I hate. That big pile of mush at the bottom of the cup is nasty.
youre using too much water, I mix regular oats and water one to one (a cup of each) with a scoop and a half of ON protein (about 30 grams). It comes out the perfect consistency to chug all at once. One possibility is you might need a better blender to chop the oats more.
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yep, you and i are getting the same numbers - 98ng/dl (or 100ng/dL is what I got, only I put it in pg/mL which is 10).....
i can't explain it
but something is wrong
At least I know my math is still good, it's been a while

I don't know about Drs they give you some numbers and tell you your fine, but don't explain them. I actually had to educate my gp on steroids and their possible side effects.
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youre using too much water, I mix regular oats and water one to one (a cup of each) with a scoop and a half of ON protein (about 30 grams). It comes out the perfec