Kobe scores 62 points against Dallas

[Shibby]

This was a total embarasment by my Mavericks. If you want you can take a look at the full game stats, but I think the following says it all. 62 points and only playin a little over 30 minutes





*Bryant scores 62 as Lakers topple Mavericks again*
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LOS ANGELES (Ticker) -- Kobe Bryant always has wanted to be mentioned with the all-time greats. His performance against the Dallas Mavericks certainly was the stuff of legend.

Bryant scored a phenomenal 62 points - the most in the NBA in 11 years - to propel the Los Angeles Lakers to a 112-90 rout of the Mavericks.

The 27-year-old Bryant became just the 19th player in league history to reach the 60-point plateau and the first since Philadelphia's Allen Iverson against Orlando on February 12 of last season.

His explosion was the most points by any player since San Antonio's David Robinson scored 71 points in pursuit of a scoring title in the 1993-94 season finale at the Los Angeles Clippers.

After scoring 43 points in Los Angeles' 109-106 triumph December 12 at Dallas, Bryant picked up right where he left off with 32 points in the first half before a historic 30-point third quarter.

In the fourth-highest scoring quarter in league history, Bryant made 7-of-13 shots and 14-of-16 free throws as he thoroughly frustrated the Mavericks, who began arguing with officials and taking hard fouls. He finished with a flourish, drilling a 3-pointer with 4.4 seconds left to open a 95-61 lead.

Just as in his previous career high of 56 vs. Memphis on January 14, 2002, Bryant did not play the fourth quarter.

The superstar guard connected on 18-of-31 shots, including 4-of-10 from the arc, and 22-of-25 free throws. He had no assists, but by the second quarter, no one in the Staples Center wanted him to pass.

Through three quarters, the shellshocked Mavericks made 22-of-65 shots, including 0-of-10 3-pointers, and 17-of-24 free throws.

The outburst pushed Bryant's scoring average from 31.3 points to 32.5, still second in the league behind Iverson.

Dallas never led as it saw a three-game winning streak halted. The frustration began early in the third quarter when All-Star Dirk Nowitzki was hit in the face by Bryant's flailing arm. When the foul was called on Nowitzki, he received a technical foul for throwing his mouthpiece.

Less than three minutes later, Josh Howard was called for a flagrant foul after clotheslining a driving Bryant. Mavericks coach Avery Johnson was called for his second technical foul of the quarter and was ejected with 7:46 left. Everything fell apart for Dallas thereafter.

[Taylor]

the mavs are my team as well...and while kobe is impressive the mavs are the squad thats going all the way to the western conference finals




before they inevitably lose to the spurs they're just too damn good to deny


but kobe scored 62 in 3 quarters...phil should've let him play in the 4th, that's ridiculous

[hitmansb]

Fuck Kobe....I don't care if he scores 100pts, he'll never get my respect back; he chose his ego over championships.

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by hitmansb

he chose his ego over championships.

Not like he really needs any more.

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by beefcake

Not like he really needs any more.

Good, then maybe he'll quit and I can stop hearing so much bullshit about him. People tried to make him out to be the next Jordan about 5 years ago, but he didn't do shit without Shaq (the most dominating player in the NBA). He's so damn selfish it's sickening. I could name at least 30 other players I would rather have on my team than Kobe.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

Good, then maybe he'll quit and I can stop hearing so much bullshit about him. People tried to make him out to be the next Jordan about 5 years ago, but he didn't do shit without Shaq (the most dominating player in the NBA). He's so damn selfish it's sickening. I could name at least 30 other players I would rather have on my team than Kobe.

Nothing against you, but I get sick of hearing Shaq being refered to as "the most dominating palyer in the NBA".

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by Shibby

Nothing against you, but I get sick of hearing Shaq being refered to as "the most dominating palyer in the NBA".

tell me one player that can stop him and i won't say it... if he got the ball as much as Kobe does he'd be scoring 40+ pts a game... he's unstoppable

[Shibby]

He just has so many other flaws. You could say the same about giving any other player his size (pretty much) and they could do the same.

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by Shibby

He just has so many other flaws. You could say the same about giving any other player his size (pretty much) and they could do the same.

that's the thing... there's nobody else his size... there's nobody as big, tall, and strong as he is... until there is, he is dominate. Nobody can stop him from backing into the paint and puttin up a 5 footer... and he's money on those little quick turn hooks, that's if he just doesnt dunk it on the other guys head.
I've never really liked shaq, but he's a damn good player. If I could pick anyone from any time period to play center for me, it would be Wilt the Stilt.

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

tell me one player that can stop him and i won't say it... if he got the ball as much as Kobe does he'd be scoring 40+ pts a game... he's unstoppable

Yao ming has handled shaq the few times they have met.

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by beefcake

Yao ming has handled shaq the few times they have met.

In the 2003-2004 season and postseason... Shaq met Yao a total of 9 times. Yao outscored Shaq only 3 times. He held Shaq to less then 10 pts one time. Shaq still averaged almost 20 pts/game while Yao averaged under 18 pts/game. and Shaq was shooting about 53% avg while Yao was shooting 45.5% avg from the floor. Again Shaq avg. 10 boards and 3 blocks each meeting, while Yao avg 8 boards and less than 1.5 blocks.
All stats favor Shaq.
And I would much rather have Tim Duncan than Yao Ming on my team.

[Taylor]

"shaq is unstoppable"

until you foul his big ass

you say kobe isn't the next jordan because he "didn't do shit without shaq"....give him more then 1 year before you go mkaing bold statements like that

if i remember correctly jordan "didn't do shit without scottie pippen" neither

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

In the 2003-2004 season and postseason... Shaq met Yao a total of 9 times. Yao outscored Shaq only 3 times. He held Shaq to less then 10 pts one time. Shaq still averaged almost 20 pts/game while Yao averaged under 18 pts/game. and Shaq was shooting about 53% avg while Yao was shooting 45.5% avg from the floor. Again Shaq avg. 10 boards and 3 blocks each meeting, while Yao avg 8 boards and less than 1.5 blocks.
All stats favor Shaq.
And I would much rather have Tim Duncan than Yao Ming on my team.

If I recall, you said shaq is unstoppable. The numbers show that isn't true. He can be stopped. Let's also not forget that he can't make free throws and anything farther than five feet. Yao is the better all around player. I'd rather have garnett of course.

http://www.asiansportsnet.com/articles/yao_vs_shaq.html

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by beefcake

If I recall, you said shaq is unstoppable. The numbers show that isn't true. He can be stopped. Let's also not forget that he can't make free throws and anything farther than five feet. Yao is the better all around player. I'd rather have garnett of course.

http://www.asiansportsnet.com/articles/yao_vs_shaq.html

Did you not read the stats? Shaq had better stats in every category (except free-throws, but everyone knows Shaq can't hit a freethrow if his life depended on it) than Yao, so how is Yao a better all around player? I guess almost 20 pts a game against his biggest challenge isn't very good?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=847 - Shaq's stats/game
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...s?statsId=3599 - Yao's stats/game

Shaq has better stats in FG%, BLK, TOT Reb, PTS, and AST.

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by beefcake

http://www.asiansportsnet.com/articles/yao_vs_shaq.html

This is the same site where I got my info from.... and as it shows, Shaq avg was better on pts, rebs, blks, and fg%. You can go ahead and avg them out again if you want.

In the 2003-2004 season and postseason... Shaq met Yao a total of 9 times. Yao outscored Shaq only 3 times. He held Shaq to less then 10 pts one time. Shaq still averaged almost 20 pts/game while Yao averaged under 18 pts/game. and Shaq was shooting about 53% avg while Yao was shooting 45.5% avg from the floor. Again Shaq avg. 10 boards and 3 blocks each meeting, while Yao avg 8 boards and less than 1.5 blocks.
All stats favor Shaq.

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

Did you not read the stats? Shaq had better stats in every category (except free-throws, but everyone knows Shaq can't hit a freethrow if his life depended on it) than Yao, so how is Yao a better all around player? I guess almost 20 pts a game against his biggest challenge isn't very good?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=847 - Shaq's stats/game
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...s?statsId=3599 - Yao's stats/game

Shaq has better stats in FG%, BLK, TOT Reb, PTS, and AST.

I'm not talking about their overall stats. I'm talking about the stats of them against each other. Shaq was not exceptionally dominate. He out scored him in only 6 games and many of those were close. The point is, he could've been much more, but wasn't because yao had him covered a lot. Number two, you take shaq out of the paint, and he can't make the shots. So that's why yao is a more complete player.

[Shibby]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

Good, then maybe he'll quit and I can stop hearing so much bullshit about him.

This is the point of my comment. There is so much bullshit surrounding Shaq. I would be interested to see an NBA team pick up a linebacker just to defend shaq. Then what? That's all it would take to make him nobody. Take a player like Kobe, Lebron, Duncan... there is so much more to those players. Without players like Kobe or Wade, Shaq would be just average. You need a key gaurd to feed it to Shaq inside the paint. The caliber of players I mentions as great player don't need others to play there game.

[SloppyJo]

Originally Posted by Shibby

This is the point of my comment. There is so much bullshit surrounding Shaq. I would be interested to see an NBA team pick up a linebacker just to defend shaq. Then what? That's all it would take to make him nobody. Take a player like Kobe, Lebron, Duncan... there is so much more to those players. Without players like Kobe or Wade, Shaq would be just average. You need a key gaurd to feed it to Shaq inside the paint. The caliber of players I mentions as great player don't need others to play there game.

Did LA even make the playoffs without Shaq? Yea, didn't think so.

And by the way, when Shaq played for the Magic he didn't have anybody else on his team and avg almost 30 pts/game. And to be quite honest, if he didn't have anyone else on his team he would be scoring MORE POINTS. Cause you wouldnt have the selfishness of Kobe wanting to take 20+ shots a game. You'd have shitty players that would dump it off to the best player on the team and he would score 40+ points a game. You think it's that difficult to make an entry pass to him when he takes up the whole paint? Any guard in the league can make an entry pass to him when he posts up, if they couldn't, they wouldn't be in the league very long. I could fucking make an entry pass to him.

If anything he made Kobe better. Do you know how much attention he draws? He gets the ball and usually gets double-teamed almost immediately. Well that opens up things for other players because if he has 2 players on him, then somebody on his team is open. If you knew anything about basketball, you would know that this is one of his greatest assets.

Pick up a linebacker just to defend Shaq? So is pro basketball that easy? I guess any football player can throw on a Jersey step on the basketball court and just dominate the best center in the league? That is the most rediculous statement I've ever heard. Yeah he's only been playing b'ball for what, his entire life, so any joe shmoe that is big is going to stop him. Yeah, NBA Finals MVP 3 times, League MVP, He's been on every single All-Star team since he was a rookie, He's had All-NBA-Team honors 11 out of 13 seasons and All-NBA-Defensive Honors 3 times, and How many championships has he won now? But yeah, any big linebacker could def stop him

Originally Posted by beefcake

Number two, you take shaq out of the paint, and he can't make the shots. So that's why yao is a more complete player.

Again, YOU CAN'T TAKE HIME OUT OF THEPAINT!!! that's the whole point, you can't stop him from getting position, you can't stop him from moving under the goal.... Why the hell would I want my Center taking 10 ft+ shots... I want my center under the basket, rebounding, blocking, and clogging the middle.... exactly what Shaq does and exactly why his fg% is higher than Yao's, higher than Kobe's, higher than LeBron's, and higher than Duncan's. And exactly why he is considered the best center in the league by everybody but appearently you two.

By the way, Shaq scored 61 points against the Clippers in 2000... remember that's without making any 3's like Kobe.

[Shibby]

Sloppyjo and Shaq sitting in a tree...

[Control]

Kobe is the most talented player in the NBA. Nobody can stop him one-on-one. Yeah, he's selfish, but who's he supposed to share the ball with? Since Shaq left there's ne other scoring threat on the Lakers.
Shaq creates more match-up problems for other teams, but Kobe is a more talented player, probably the most talented since Jordan. In fact, Kobe consistantly makes shots I don't think Jordan could make.

[babyblues]

Originally Posted by SloppyJo

Did LA even make the playoffs without Shaq? Yea, didn't think so.

And by the way, when Shaq played for the Magic he didn't have anybody else on his team and avg almost 30 pts/game.

Blah blah blah blah...Shaq is dominant...blah blah blah...

If anything he made Kobe better. Do you know how much attention he draws? He gets the ball and usually gets double-teamed almost immediately. Well that opens up things for other players because if he has 2 players on him, then somebody on his team is open. If you knew anything about basketball, you would know that this is one of his greatest ASSets.

blah blah blah...Shaq is bigger than every else...blah blah blah...Shaq can't be stopped...blah blah blah...MVP...blah blah blah...all star...blah blah blah...

Again, YOU CAN'T TAKE HIME OUT OF THEPAINT!!! that's the whole point, you can't stop him from getting position, you can't stop him from moving under the goal.... Why the hell would I want my Center taking 10 ft+ shots... I want my center under the basket, rebounding, blocking, and clogging the middle.... blah blah blah...Shaq is the best player ever...blah blah blah...

By the way, Shaq scored 61 points against the Clippers in 2000... remember that's without making any 3's like Kobe.

Shaq didn't have anybody in Orlando? Ever hear of Anferne Hardaway? He was pretty damn good when he played for Orlando. One of his greatest ASSets is his big ass. Nobody can keep him out of the paint because he's so damn big. That has nothing to do with talent. You don't have to play basketball your entire life to be able to throw your 300lbs into the guy behind you until he falls down. I saw Shaq dunk and hang onto the rim so that it "broke away" and his feet were flat on the ground while he was still holding onto the rim. So he can dunk...big deal. So could I in college and I'm only 6'0". My point is that most of what Shaq is able to do is because he's so friggin big. No doubt he's good and he does dominate the paint. He uses his physical abilities very well. I just don't agree that he's as dominant as you seem to think he is.

Stats aren't everything. Every great player needs other good players. The obvious example is Michael Jordan. He was great by himself, but he had Scottie Pippen and Steve Kerr and Rodman. Hakeem Olajuwan...now there was a dominant center. He could pass, he could shoot, he could rebound, he could block shots. You couldn't keep him out of the paint because he was too fast and too smart. Ever see that guy spin and dance his way to the hoop? Beautiful. Olajuwan made his defender fall down because he was tripping over his own feet trying to keep up, not because he outweighed him by 100lbs. He could make shots from anywhere...the free throw line...straight up jump shot...turn-around-fade-away from the baseline while he was falling out of bounds...you name it. He's the shot block leader in NBA history. They didn't keep that stat when Chamberlain or Russell played so who knows how many they might have had, but Olajuwan was still an amazing shot blocker.

[babyblues]

Originally Posted by Control

Kobe is the most talented player in the NBA. Nobody can stop him one-on-one. Yeah, he's selfish, but who's he supposed to share the ball with? Since Shaq left there's ne other scoring threat on the Lakers.
Shaq creates more match-up problems for other teams, but Kobe is a more talented player, probably the most talented since Jordan. In fact, Kobe consistantly makes shots I don't think Jordan could make.

Talented...yeah. Make shots that Jordan couldn't make? In what universe? Jordan didn't have to pull 30 foot shots out of his ass because he could get just about any shot he wanted. He made every shot he took seem effortless. The game is different now. Defense is all but non existent now. Jordan was by far one of the best offensive players the game has ever seen but he was also one of the best defenders in the game. He dominated both sides of the ball, the WHOLE game, not just points scored. Look at these stats: Kobe doesn't even deserve to hold Jordan's cup of Gatorade. Jordan went to the finals 6 times, won 6 times and was named finals MVP 6 times. Doesn't look like Kobe will ever get back to the finals the way he's going. He wants so much of the spotlight that he drives other good players away.

Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)

Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)

Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History" That was before he stopped playing!!!!!!!!

A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)

Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player

The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)

Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)

Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115)

Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)

Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)

Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)

Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)

Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)

Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)

Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws ma