Jose 'The Rat' Canseco

[hitmansb]

So, Jose's coming out with another book....and he's promoting it by saying he's 'got stuff' on A-Rod.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...f_on_arod.html

:thumbsdow

[grnmchn]

You got to give it to him though, alot of his BS is truth. Everyone thought when Juice came out that it was all made up. He pretty much brought about the steroid era in baseball.

The real story is that he was blackbooked in baseball a few years before he actually retired. No one would sign him, and this was before the mentioned a word about steroids. I think his book was a result of getting back at the game he loved for turning its back on him. I'd say he succeeded. I'm not sure I'd give him credit for being smart enough to hold onto info about A-Rod from when he released his book, knowing that after Bonds broke the record Rodriguez would be the next topic of conversation. If he is that smart, then I'm impressed.

[rado]

What a fucking sell out...

[NYCmitch25]

Originally Posted by grnmchn

You got to give it to him though, alot of his BS is truth. Everyone thought when Juice came out that it was all made up. He pretty much brought about the steroid era in baseball.

The real story is that he was blackbooked in baseball a few years before he actually retired. No one would sign him, and this was before the mentioned a word about steroids. I think his book was a result of getting back at the game he loved for turning its back on him. I'd say he succeeded. I'm not sure I'd give him credit for being smart enough to hold onto info about A-Rod from when he released his book, knowing that after Bonds broke the record Rodriguez would be the next topic of conversation. If he is that smart, then I'm impressed.

He's a fag.

Heres his best contribution to the game of baseball IMO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MmPFMPl-f4

[beefcake]

Saying a-rod juices is bullshit. Who's next, pujols? So why wasn't he in the first book? Exactly.

[grnmchn]

Not saying I like the guy or think what he did was right, but it achieved everything he was trying to. He was pissed that he got blacklist in baseball. He retaliated with something that damaged the game forever. Without Juice, there would not be a steroid issue in baseball today. His comments about A-Rod are definitely another attempt at money, but since over half the other shit he said ended up being true why is everyone so quick to say it isn't. As scandalous as the first book was, the only shit he really lied about was things about himself.

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by grnmchn

Not saying I like the guy or think what he did was right, but it achieved everything he was trying to. He was pissed that he got blacklist in baseball. He retaliated with something that damaged the game forever. Without Juice, there would not be a steroid issue in baseball today. His comments about A-Rod are definitely another attempt at money, but since over half the other shit he said ended up being true why is everyone so quick to say it isn't. As scandalous as the first book was, the only shit he really lied about was things about himself.

I'm sure even without Juice, steroids would have become an issue sooner or later. As bonds approached the record, they would micro analyze his years and wonder about how he all of a sudden started hitting more than 40 homers a year. I totally believe what he had stated in Juice, but I think now, there are no more scapegoats left. He's run out, but needs something to make money on again. He brought out everything he knew about everyone in Juice. He didn't save anything for later. A-Rod has been a solid player for years. He isn't jacked either. His doing well now is nothing new. But of course, he's the best thing in the game right now, so of course he's the target of steroid wonder.

[rado]

Originally Posted by grnmchn

Not saying I like the guy or think what he did was right, but it achieved everything he was trying to. He was pissed that he got blacklist in baseball. He retaliated with something that damaged the game forever. Without Juice, there would not be a steroid issue in baseball today. His comments about A-Rod are definitely another attempt at money, but since over half the other shit he said ended up being true why is everyone so quick to say it isn't. As scandalous as the first book was, the only shit he really lied about was things about himself.

I agree to a certain point though...You don't sell out though!!! He's a punk for doing so...Why? Because the fucking cuban didn't get what he wanted?! fuck that POS.

Look at his site; http://www.josecanseco.com/index.aspx He wants $58 for his book???:laughnew:

"Rampant Roids"

[beefcake]

He's targeting the only other 40/40 club member. I don't mind canseco, but don't drag down other people cause of jealousy.

[grnmchn]

Ya'll are absolutley right. He shouldn't have done it. My real point is that enough of what he said the first go round was true for me to believe or at least have some reservations about this comment about A-Rod. Now A-Rod as always been a good player, you are right, but so was Bonds. McGuire and Sosa were too. They all were great players and I don't think that is being disputed. There is just no telling how much can be contributed to the "extras".

[GearTripper]

smart business move on his part.. all things aside.

[babyblues]

Originally Posted by beefcake

I'm sure even without Juice, steroids would have become an issue sooner or later. As bonds approached the record, they would micro analyze his years and wonder about how he all of a sudden started hitting more than 40 homers a year.

I don't agree. Take a look at Babe Ruth's HRs year after year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml

He jumped from 29 HRs in 1919 to 54 in 1920. He was more consistent later in his career hitting over 40 HR every year for 7 years in a row.

Now look at Barry Bonds stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

He steadily improved until he was hitting 40 HR every year. I think 73 was a fluke. He didn't just start hitting 40 HR a year out of nowhere.

Roger Maris.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marisro01.shtml

One season out of twelve he hit over 40 HR and that was the year he hit 61.

Bond's stats don't prove anything.

[rado]

Originally Posted by babyblues

I don't agree. Take a look at Babe Ruth's HRs year after year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml

He jumped from 29 HRs in 1919 to 54 in 1920. He was more consistent later in his career hitting over 40 HR every year for 7 years in a row.

Now look at Barry Bonds stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

He steadily improved until he was hitting 40 HR every year. I think 73 was a fluke. He didn't just start hitting 40 HR a year out of nowhere.

Roger Maris.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marisro01.shtml

One season out of twelve he hit over 40 HR and that was the year he hit 61.

Bond's stats don't prove anything.

Bond's stats don't prove anything.

Well how about my foot in your ass? Will that prove anything

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by babyblues

I don't agree. Take a look at Babe Ruth's HRs year after year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml

He jumped from 29 HRs in 1919 to 54 in 1920. He was more consistent later in his career hitting over 40 HR every year for 7 years in a row.

Now look at Barry Bonds stats.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

He steadily improved until he was hitting 40 HR every year. I think 73 was a fluke. He didn't just start hitting 40 HR a year out of nowhere.

Roger Maris.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marisro01.shtml

One season out of twelve he hit over 40 HR and that was the year he hit 61.

Bond's stats don't prove anything.

You also need to take into account how many times they were at bat. Ruth and Maris hit more homers those years cause they were at bat almost 100 times more. Bonds starts out as a mediocre player, but then all of a sudden starts hitting more homers with less time at the plate.

[babyblues]

Originally Posted by beefcake

You also need to take into account how many times they were at bat. Ruth and Maris hit more homers those years cause they were at bat almost 100 times more. Bonds starts out as a mediocre player, but then all of a sudden starts hitting more homers with less time at the plate.

My point is that it's normal. There's nothing suspicious about that.

HR per AB for Bonds, Ruth and Maris. All three players have spikes in their performance. That's not an indicator of cheating. Numbers don't lie. Besides, steroids aren't going to make him a better bad ball hitter which is what he became later in his career.

[rado]

Originally Posted by babyblues

That's my point. He didn't start suddenly hitting more homers. His numbers kept getting better as his career went on.

At bats per homerun for Bonds, Ruth and Maris. All three players had that one year where they got much better. There's a sudden change in all three players' stats about 4 years into their career. That's the way it goes in professional sports. It takes a few years to reach your full potential. If anything the change in Ruth's numbers were more drastic than Bonds. Put an asterick next to his name.

Your title should change;

"Board Geek"

[grnmchn]

Originally Posted by rado

Your title should change;

"Board Geek"

That takes 5 minutes on Excel. You should practice, while you sit in your Rover in the driveway

[beefcake]

Originally Posted by babyblues

My point is that it's normal. There's nothing suspicious about that.

HR per AB for Bonds, Ruth and Maris. All three players have spikes in their performance. That's not an indicator of cheating. Numbers don't lie. Besides, steroids aren't going to make him a better bad ball hitter which is what he became later in his career.

I wouldn't say it made him better at hitting the ball, but it sure did give him that power to start hitting the upper deck and turn would be fly balls into homers like it did for canseco and mcgwire. But what makes us think that steroids weren't in play back in the day either? It's funny how home runs almost never went past 40 during the late 70's and 80's and then all of a sudden in the early 90's, they were up. Homers back in the 60's were up there. Maybe there were some juicers too. It was legal.

[rado]

Originally Posted by grnmchn

That takes 5 minutes on Excel. You should practice, while you sit in your Rover in the driveway

I love Excel...I actually use it ED for my work

[grnmchn]

Originally Posted by rado

I love Excel...I actually use it ED for my work

I love the ass in your avatar :nerdnew:

[rado]

Originally Posted by grnmchn

I love the ass in your avatar :nerdnew:

I like it too I like to eat it almost every night

[grnmchn]

Originally Posted by rado

I like it too I like to eat it almost every night

This isn't a spin-off of the tick tack thread........stay focused